[Steppes] Plea for the SCA

[Tangwystl]

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I am not going to address my disagreement with Timothy's and others remarks
that this type of comment is "okay" because it was never meant to be seen by
others.  My concerns are about the fact that these types of comments are
made at all.  We are a society based on honor, and education.  It disturbs
me that those making these derogatory and hurtful comments make them at all.
 To me it bodes ill for the Society in general that an important and
official branch of our society, even in private, while acting on behalf of
the Society, feel it is natural to speak so and feel so about their fellow
members.
Tangwystl
>From: "chiara" <chiara at io.com>
>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:16:54 -0500
>
>I have to disagree Timothy.
>
>It does not take a genius to put words down in such a manner so that it is
>not insulting. I doubt that what she is quoting was ever intended for the
>maker to read. In fact when I was in the college it was NEVER intended for
>the maker to read, that was in the 80's. I remember asking if they did and
>I
>was told that unless they subscribed to the publication, no they would
>never
>read this nor ever care enough to read it. There is a false comfort level
>that has been there for years to comment without fear of retribution.
>
>Chiara
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Timothy Rayburn" <timothy at elfsea.net>
>To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>
>
>: > I was looking online for some info on Heraldry when I stumbled across
>some
>: >old issues of the gazette and Ansteorran LOI online. I decided to check
>it
>: >out, being curious.
>:
>: Quite natural thing to do.
>:
>: > To my horror when I started reading, it was full of
>: >insults and snide remarks, "Is this an axe or an oversize toothbrush",
>"The
>: >blazon calls this a falcon but it looks more like an obese
>pigeon",remarks
>: >in that vein.
>:
>: It is true that often these remarks are less than tactfully put. And
>while I appreciate your comments after this regarding people who are new
>that might stumble along these comments, the College must be able to
>comment. They must be able to express their thoughts on a device without
>concern for the feelings of the individuals involved. Many people would be
>just as upset with "The primary charge, which according to the blazon is a
>Falcon, is unrecognizable as such, lacking the characteristics of a bird of
>prey, we suggest return for redraw." as they would the quotes above.
>:
>: The commentary process at the College of Arms (Society Level) is kept
>private for just the reasons we are facing here, that a submitter may get
>upset. But the Kingdoms who do internal commentary generally do not keep
>it
>secret because if they did, they would never train up new commenters.
>:
>: I would encourage tact in all communications, but I also suggest that
>sometimes comments like this will happen because it is a training tool.
>Also, I would note that commentary has gotten much better over the last
>decade, there were times it was much more brazen.
>:
>: Timothy of Glastinbury
>: Central Regional Herald, titled Eclipse Herald
>:
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