[Steppes] Plea for the SCA

[Gerita]

Thank you, Your Excellency, for putting that topic back into perspective.

Gerita


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Rudin" <rudin at ev1.net>
To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA


> Frankly, I find this thread absurd.
>
> 1. The offending action was many years ago.
>
> 2. The person whose name or device was insulted is not present, and is not
> complaining.
>
> 3. The person wasn't insulted, just the drawing of an axe or a falcon
>
> 3. If anything was done about it, we don't know.
>
> Yet, it suddenly seems to be important enough to clog the Steppes list.
> Why?
>
> As far as anyone knows, the submittor might have seen it and laughed.  He
> (or she) might have never seen it.  He might have seen it, gotten upset,
and
> gotten an apology.  The herald may have been lectured, or removed from
> office, or any of a number of things.
>
> We say that when somebody offends you, the first step is to talk to that
> person directly, and get the other side of the story.  We don't have
> *either* side of the story yet.  We haven't talked to the submittors *or*
> the heralds.
>
> I will not speak against this herald until I talk to the herald.  That is
> the polite thing to do.  I won't get upset on a submittor's behalf without
> finding out if the submittor is upset.  That's the logical thing to do.
>
> If you'd like to know more about the process, contact the local herald.
You
> can attend commenting sessions, get involved, and learn what the situation
> is.  You can even help do the job the way you'd like it to be done.  I
think
> you'll learn that the heralds are in fact hard-working, courteous, and
> willing to teach you.  And that sometimes comments get out of line, and
the
> heralds rein them in.  And that they're human, and make mistakes.  But if
> you want to insult what they do, I recommend that step one is to learn
about
> what they do.  My mother used to say, "You can always criticize the
> housework if you're holding a mop."
>
> It's bad enough when people hold onto grudges for years, about something
> that really hurt them.  But when we don't know if anyone was hurt?  And we
> don't know whether the problem was take care of?
>
> I've seen cases in which the submittor had a sense of humor, and had no
> problems with the comments.  I've seen a submittor get upset, receive an
> apology, and the forgive and forget.  And I've seen a commenter get kicked
> out of the job for making rude comments.  In all three cases, the issue
was
> over, and bringing it back up is, at best, unhelpful.
>
> For the record, I've seen the comments made on my original submission.  I
> laughed.  Please don't get annoyed on my behalf.
>
> What happened in the cases of the axe and the falcon?  We don't know.  And
> unless a submittor complains, it's none of our business.
>
> If somebody does something that upsets you, step one is to contact that
> person privately.  Until you've done that, there isn't a step two.
> Complaining on a public forum without first trying to talk to the
offending
> officer is bad for the officer, bad for the list, and bad for Ansteorra.
>
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
>
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