[Steppes] Re:Security

Thu Jun 5 09:07:39 PDT 2003

As head of security last year I agree with the trying to catch them
statement and we stopped that once we realized who was where and what was
going on. While waiting for the Police, a couple of us were trying to get a
License number for the police. After a couple of passes we actually got
close enough to discover that they had covered their plates. Once the police
arrived they already had a good idea of who the trouble makers were and that
problem was resolved fairly quickly. We also set up at as many entrances as
possible to try to deter them from entering site. We did not have to chase
them to get them to run through site at around 40-50MPH. They entered the
site at that speed.

Yes we are very often our own worst enemies. Security has to deal with many
issues and a great percentage of our problems are internal.

I have a very great love hate relationship with the Canton site. It is going
to be very hard to replace. Our best option is for everyone to be willing to
help out with security and gate on the site. Many slots went unfilled on
both security and gate this year. We should have at least one off duty
officer on site from sundown to sun up. It would be worth investigating
closing some of the gates and controlling the entrances to the area. One
thing to consider, as I know it will happen, is that we would be
inconveniencing some group that always comes in "that" way. What cost
security? Remember all those who still complain about Airport security now.

There are Dry places to camp and we can move to those places if we have to.
We will loose much of the ambience of the creek area. I know that finding
another site is a priority right now, but we have to be prepared for the
reality if we cannot find an appropriate replacement that we will be back
again next year.

The mundanes are mostly not all that bad. If you take the time to talk to
them and explain a little about what is going on they will either want to
know more or decide that it's not their cup of tea. Out of all the mundanes
I have talked to at Canton I have only run into 3 or 4 who were just plain
disagreeable horses rears. We actually have had a few come in and play with
us through the evening and come back the next day to tell us how much fun
they had.

Iames

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Robb [mailto:philo_net at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:05 PM
To: steppes at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Steppes] Re:Security

Franky, and no offense to anyone out there who was working at the
time, but we're our own worst enemy when it comes to security.

Last year with the kids in a truck tossing water baloons, for
instance, giving chase in golf carts was a less than optimal response
to the situation. First off, regarless of all the angry words about
"citizen's arrest" and "I know the law" I heard when I staggered up
and mentioned it was probablly better not to give chase, unless you
are a TCLOSE acredited peace officer in your home jurisdiction you're
taking a HUGE liability risk, both personally and for the Barony, if
you actually managed to catch and detain someone, especially if any
force was involved.* Second, chasing a truck in golf cart(s) only
causes the truck to speed away and adds one or more additional
speeding vehicles to the fray. The water ballons were annoying. A
truck going 30 through the site, at night, could be deadly. A golf
cart isn't much better.

The first job of security is to protect people's lives and well
being. After that comes protecting property. Preventing annoying ppl
from doing annoying things is way down on the list.

All that being said, I *know* you can close the roads at the Canton
site. I've been out to First Trade Days when they have done it to
prevent ppl who have not paid for certain passes from going to
various areas. This may involve a different type of city permit, or
hiring a city cop or some such (or maybe just doing it without
permission), but no one seemed to mind during the trade days. I don't
understand why that should be such a problem for us. Certainly the
city doesn't want one of our children to be hit by a car in the
middle of the night (if not out of human decency than fear of a
lawsuit). A few "detour" signs and sawhorses around the main camping
area is all it would take.

Philo

*And you don't even have to do anything wrong. You can do everything
100% right and still spend tens of thousands of dollars in court. Do
it wrong and you can end up in jail.

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> Can you let me know when that security detail is?  I'm just
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> Toryn
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> Let me agree with Serena about security problems, I have had to
> deal
> with drunk mundanes at mutilple events, some of these planned on
> coming
> back with guns, to cause us problems.  One of Canton's advantages
> is
> that we  have mundane Police patrolling the site.  I am surprised
> that
> we have not had more and more violent encounters with mundane.  I
> want a
> site were we can have real, armed police, I don't want to ever see
> a
> swords vs. shotguns melee.  There will always be security problems,
> I've
> been on security at Penis, when mundane got on to the site.
>
> Cairenn

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Aaron D. Robb, M.Ed., NCC, LPC

"Well, I guess you could call me a lucky man," Confucius says wryly to his
students. "Whenever I make a mistake, there's always somebody to point it
out to me."   - T. R. Reid _Confucius lives next door_

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