[Steppes] Challenge

[ED Reese]

Well, yes, Your Excellency. Which is why I postulate that the Greeks Judas 
Macabee was fighting would not have shields that represent Byzantine armory 
-- they would have ancient symbols, which were not entirely forgotten. :-)

Esther


At 11:07 AM 7/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Esther,
>
>I've been following this lovely discussion on several lists, and I'd like to
>point out that the Byzantine empire did not start officially until 330 A.D.
>
>Mistress Xene Theriane (the Byzantine Baroness)
>
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>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:42 PM
>To: Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc.
>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Challenge
>
>
>Your Grace,
>
>If the poets of the time are to be our guide, the Greeks would bear the
>emblems of antiquity -- the Medusa, the Pegasus, the Owl, Wise Athena, or
>jagged lightening bolts for warlike Sparta, etc. Byzantium was not the
>Empire in question, and moreover was a Christian Nation, (more or less! ;-)
>
>I had the pleasure of spending most of my day at the Dallas library, and
>their excellent research librarians assisted me to no avail to find arms
>assigned to any worthy (legendary) ancients other than those representing
>Christ, Mary, and King Arthur.
>
>So we's just gonna have to make 'em up ourselves, in the allegorical style
>of our persona -- or of that 12th century Duchess. Where ARE my art history
>books?!
>
>BTW, is the actual date 1203, or did I misread -- is she a 12th century
>Duchess, so living in the 1100s? That can make a difference in the style of
>allegory.
>
>Esther
>
>At 03:43 PM 7/17/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Greeting to all the good scholars in Steppes.
> >
> >I think the Catholic Bible calls them Greeks So the information a 12th
> >century person would have was that Judas Maccabbeus was fighting Greeks.
> >Would a 12th century put the arms of the current Greek empire on a shield
> >in an illustration? If so what are the arms of the Greek empire?
> >
> >Willow
> >
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