[Steppes] precedence reminder

[Greg Shetler]

I think you just touched on the most important thing to remember: in formal
settings (like court, strategy meetings between allies, presentations or
speeches by royalty, etc.) it is especially important to remember titles and
positions.  If it helps, consider them roles in the play we're all putting
on for each other....  And, of course, don't take offense when others don't
play "quite right" or as you think they should - consider it a learning
opportunity, a chance to discover something about another culture and time
within our game, or a chance to help somebody else learn something new about
(modern SCA) courtly behavior :D

Them's my 2 cents, anyway

Dux

-----Original Message-----
From: steppes-bounces+mordockvonrugen=comcast.net at ansteorra.org
[mailto:steppes-bounces+mordockvonrugen=comcast.net at ansteorra.org] On Behalf
Of Jackie Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:25 PM
To: chiara at io.com; Barony of Steppes - SCA,Inc.
Subject: RE: [Steppes] precedence reminder 

I find that I agree with this observation. I've heard Ph.D.s downplay
their title (which, let's face it, is harder to earn than most of ours)
saying that they only think physicians should be called doctor.  Modern
day egalitarian society downplays titles, and leaves the feeling that
those with titles shouldn't use them.  Even real royalty in Europe and
the Far East, more often than not these days, use their plain names
rather than be thought to be snobs.

But here in the SCA, we have to remember that years of work go into
those titles, no matter what type of work it is. And even when we have
known people since they were a m'lord or m'lady, in formal settings
especially we should use their titles appropriately. I find that I use
mine more often than I used to, simply to get people to understand what
it means in Arabic!  

The Honorable el-Sayyidda Saqra al-Kudsi, OIM, OOS, Sable Thistle, Crane


-----Original Message-----
From: steppes-bounces+jsaunders=evercom.net at ansteorra.org
[mailto:steppes-bounces+jsaunders=evercom.net at ansteorra.org] On Behalf
Of Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:07 PM
To: Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc.
Subject: RE: [Steppes] precedence reminder 

I think that the problem here in our society is, for many, the way we
were
raised in modern day society.

Many may feel that it is unfitting to thrust our titles upon others.
They
may not be doing this in others eye but in their own eyes, the way they
were raised in the modern world, they are. Pride is a trait that is
sometimes taught to be a bad thing, they may feel that this is a feature
of Pride.

Maybe what we need is a gentle lesson that it is OK to use our titles.
We
are not being snotty or prideful when we do, it is a gift that we were
given, one that the giver fully expects us to use.

Someone recently reminded me that gifts are given to be used, not
returned. That one should wear or use the gift to honor the person who
gave it. Now we were talking about jewelry and how I always returned the
jewels that my past bows gave me, but I think statements he made may
apply
here as well.

In truth, more people are concerned with the pronounciation of their
names
than if we remember their titles.

HL Chiara
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