[Vindheim] Vindheim Championship Question

Sun Jun 29 10:25:43 PDT 2025

I'm very happy to see all of the discussion about this topic! Thanks,
friends!

I appreciate the concerns which created the initial request. There are a
lot of really cool things and people in the SCA and we all want to have a
space/time to be appreciated and applauded for our efforts. I'd like
everyone to cogitate on this question: Is a championship tournament the
best way to show the principality your skills and be appreciated for your
efforts? Is there some other activity, perhaps with less responsibility and
expectations attached, that could accomplish a similar goal?

I also appreciate the comments surrounding scheduling a day for all the
various tournaments and Estrill's data on the weekends available for an
additional principality event. I'm very pleased to see the efforts to be as
accommodating as possible for the populace, entrants, and traditional
events hosted by local groups.

Is it time for Vindheim to go back to a full weekend event, instead of
trying to shoehorn everything into 8 hours? Either a camping event or a
hotel/convention center type of space? With the principality doing such a
great job of scheduling and accepting bids for coronet tournaments a year
in advance, it would be a lot easier for the populace to plan and budget
for the upcoming weekend events. Coronet Tournament and the Championships
could conceivably be scheduled for the same weekend. To follow Vincenti's
example and propose a schedule:

Saturday
Coronet Tournament in the morning/early afternoon
Rapier tournament in the afternoon
A&S could be set up all day to allow for ample viewing by the populace
Evening feast and halfla or European dancing

Sunday
Chivalric tournament in the morning
Missile weapons in the afternoon

What other suggestions do people have for the current conundrum? It's time
to throw out some wacky ideas and see if we can come up with a different
way of doing things that will allow for maximum participation and
accommodations so everyone can be included. I'm sure we can come up with
something together!

Gilyan

On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 12:58 PM Fionnghuala Ruadh inghean Ui Chonchobhair
via Vindheim <vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:

> The only problem with this breakdown (which is awesome, BTW, and thanks
> for that), is that most of the baronial groups host two events, one of
> which is the PED. To try to fit all the championships for baronial groups
> onto one event is next to impossible.
> Eldern Hills, for example, is already stretched thin trying to fit what we
> do onto Samhain. Adding our Bardic and A&S championships to an already
> packed event would be impossible.
> I’m not necessarily opposed to having Vindheim specific championships on
> separate events. I just don’t see, at this time, how we can feasibly do it.
> Baroness Fionnghuala
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 12:52 PM Estrill Swet via Vindheim <
> vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>
>> Hmm - Don't forget that it's entirely possible that MORE championships
>> could be created. I could easily see a "performance A&S champion" as a
>> possibility as well as Childrens' competitions in any or all of the above
>> areas.
>>
>> Possibly the way to go would be for one year championships for everything
>> -- with the possibility of personal champions (in whatever field) for any
>> one P&P.
>>
>> 52 weekends a year.
>> Let's say 4 holiday weekends that don't get used locally (4th, Turkey
>> day, Xmas, NY's eve).
>> 15 - devoted to Ansteorra/Vindheim events (Crownx2; Coronationx2;
>> Coronetx2; Round Tablex2; QCx2; GW (2 weekends), LPT, Collegium, KA&S)
>> 12 - reoccurring events (wInterkingdom, Melees, W Baronial*, Castellan*,
>> Beltane, Triumphe*, Protectorate*, Samhain*, W. Yule, Axeman, Skirmishes,
>> Medieval Fair) [*PED events]
>>
>> ?? - Chemin Noir, Brad Leah, Adlersruhe do not have reoccurring PED
>> events. And Marata, Mooneschadowe, Skorragardr, Wyldewode do not have a
>> second event.
>>
>> That's 31 weekends accounted for. Leaving 21 weekends theoretically
>> available. But let's be realistic -- the weekend before GW is not used and
>> frequently the weekend following the return - so all of March is out. So
>> down to 19 weekends.
>>
>> It sounds theoretically possible to add two events a year for
>> championships -- as long as we don't mind holding them against other
>> Ansteorran events not in Vindheim.
>>
>> M. Estrill
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 11:57 AM Tim Sorrels via Vindheim <
>> vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, currently not all of the championships happen every six months.
>>> Cut and Thrust hasn’t been done every reign, Archery is in the spring
>>> (April or May), Thrown Weapons is in the fall (Sept or Oct), and Arts and
>>> Science has only been talked about for also once per year.  So that does
>>> loosen the schedule a bit with Spring Champion event potentially having
>>> Armored, Rapier, Cut & Thrust, and Archery and Fall Championship
>>> potentially having Armored, Rapier, Cut & Thrust, Thrown Weapons, and Arts
>>> & Science.  Still very busy events and very busy Coronets on those days.
>>>
>>> Isaac Bane
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 27, 2025, Vinny via Vindheim <
>>> vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The timing could be worked out but it would require that a very rigid
>>>> schedule would have to be put in place and followed.
>>>>
>>>> Something like:
>>>> Court 8:30
>>>> A&S setup must be done by 10am. Judging ends at 3:30pm. Pickup of items
>>>> is after 4pm.
>>>> Archery - Starts at 9am and ends at 11am
>>>> Thrown Weapons starts at 11am and ends at 1pm
>>>> Rapier starts at 1pm and ends at 3pm
>>>> Coronet viewing of A&S 3pm to 4pm
>>>> Court at 5pm
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about Lunch and bathroom breaks. All Activities MUST end on time.
>>>> At the end of the allotted time, if the tourney is not over, the Coronet
>>>> will select a champion from those that are leading.
>>>>
>>>> Not the best setup but it could be done, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Vincenti
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 8:54 AM K C via Vindheim <
>>>> vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I must concur with the above statements regarding such a full day of
>>>>> activities and it begs the question of how will Their Highnesses be able to
>>>>> enjoy the individual tournaments?  Even splitting themselves up they
>>>>> couldn't enjoy any one activity from beginning to end if they wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear we'd be asking Their Highnesses to spread themselves too thin
>>>>> and diminish their pleasure in the seeking of their champions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al servizio,
>>>>> Caterina Cavalieri
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025, 11:08 PM Fionnghuala Ruadh inghean Ui
>>>>> Chonchobhair via Vindheim <vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the same concerns that I have, Vinny. Plus, trying to fit
>>>>>> in all the groups events around the set kingdom and principality events
>>>>>> makes it that much harder for the groups to find a weekend for their
>>>>>> events.
>>>>>> Baroness Fionnghuala Ruadh inghean Ui Chonchobhair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 10:45 PM Vinny via Vindheim <
>>>>>> vindheim at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still torn on this. While it sounds like a good idea on the
>>>>>>> surface, there is a lot more to it than just saying let's hold them all at
>>>>>>> one event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rapier - need a list field
>>>>>>> Archery - need a Large outdoor range
>>>>>>> Thrown Weapons - Need an outdoor range
>>>>>>> Arts & Sciences - need tables and chairs, indoor area is best, could
>>>>>>> be done outside but need to have extra plans for tents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know what the dates are for Coronet - What dates are being
>>>>>>> thought of?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Summer Coronet is at the end of June - 6 Weeks would be all of July
>>>>>>> and the first part of August. The 4th of July takes out one of those, the
>>>>>>> first part of August is taken out by Pennsic. Round Table is the 2nd
>>>>>>> weekend. So there are not many options.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Winter Coronet is the 2nd weekend in January. 6 weeks gives you
>>>>>>> through about the end of February. Round Table and LPT take 2 of those
>>>>>>> options out.so you down to 4 - the last is getting awful close to Gulf War.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not really seen a discussion on this and wanted to make sure
>>>>>>> that people were thinking about all of the options and possibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YIS,
>>>>>>> Vincenti
>>>>>>>
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