WR - Tourney Vote!!!

H.L. Agnarr Thorvaldsson agnarr at apex2000.net
Mon Sep 27 20:38:36 PDT 1999


I remember from my reading that the norse would sometimes go to small remote
Islands to have a structured combat to the "First Blood" and If I'm not
correct (from my memory of a discussion/homework assignment held in a  Early
European History Course in 86.)  they would use only "blunted" weapons and
the overall winner would receive all the weapons, shields, armor, and entry
prizes the combatants paid to enter the field.  I might be wrong on this as
I have spent two days looking for the Course Book from that class to no
avail. So I'm going off of memory alone at this point.
But still have a few places to look for that book. If I find it will post
the direct text.  Only one problem with this that I find off the top of my
head is the fact that Blunted weapons to me means weapons with no edge so
how did they draw first blood?

Agnarr

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Hanner <behanner at mindspring.com>
To: western at Ansteorra.ORG <western at Ansteorra.ORG>
Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: WR - Tourney Vote!!!


>KEVIN JOHNSON wrote:
>>
>> chess was invented before the Vikings, I think I remember seeing an
>> old chess board that was supposed to have been found in a wreck of a
>> Vikings ship alot of different games have been around for centuries.
>
>Yea chess has been around since the begining of the middle ages
>sometime.
>
>> I sometimes wonder if our ancestors had the courage and willpower to
>> use the games to settle their differences.
>
>I doubt it although I supose it is posible.   I do no of 2 instances
>where
>it was definitely caused violence.
>
>From "Sports, Crime and Peasants in Thirteenth Century England" by J.
>Carter.
>
>    London Eyre of 1276
>
> David de Bristol and Juliana wife of Richard le Cordwaner were
> playing chess together in Richard's house, with several others
>present; a quarrel arising between them, David struck Juliana in the
>thigh with a sword, so that she died forth with.  He at once fled and
>is suspected, so let him be exacted and outlawed.  No chattels nor
>frankpledge because he was a stranger.  All the neighbors have died.
>Because the chamberlain held no enquiry concering the men who were in
>the house with David and Juliana when the incident occurred, to
>judgment on him.
>
>
>
> On the morrow of the Assumprion (16 Augm 1254)  William De Wendene of
>Essex was playing chess with Robert Son of Bernard, a knight of Essex,
>in Robert's house in the Ward of Ralph Sperling(Billingsgate).
>
>The chess match resulted in an argument and the two began fighting.
>William of Wendere, the non-noble, wounded the knight.
>
>
>> Course lets not forget the
>> gladiator tourneys.
>
>Once again yes those are usually fights to the death but don't
>fit into the medieval concept of a tournament and I don't know
>enough about the format used in Roman gladiatoral combat to
>know if it would constitute as something similar to an modern
>elimination tourney.  My guess is that if there was an overall
>champion then it would probobly be similar to modern boxing
>or similar to a early medieval passa.  I will have to look into
>that sometime when I get a chance.
>
>Peder
>--
>"While helmets onto heads were tied we formed the groups with which we
>ride.
> I took a sturdy spear in hand and rode away then from our band.
> I came forth all alone indeed and then began to spur my steed
> to race as fast as he could go. I charged Sir Hadmar's forces so."
>
>Service of Ladies by Ulrich von Lichtenstien
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