From eawspears at nts-online.net  Sat Feb  2 21:57:02 2002
From: eawspears at nts-online.net (Elizabeth Spears)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:57:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] Bards & Arts
References: <000501c1aaae$d9d30040$6584a7d8@grlgeorg> <000e01c1aab8$d7973580$382432cf@tcac.net>
Message-ID: <000701c1ac77$9b289ba0$8283a7d8@preferrc>

Thanks for a great day of learning and teaching.  Loved the basket weaving.
Thanks to all the imput and intrest in the documentation class.

Hl Niccola Visconti


----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda <aerin at tcac.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Bards & Arts


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Greetings! There should be a list up in a few days on our shire website.
In
> the mean time I will put up a tenative list here. I do not have an actual
> schedule made up yet but there will be one by Saturday! See you there!
>
> Aerin
> Teacher Co-ordinator for Bards & Arts VI
>
>       Class Name
>      Teacher
>      Length
>      Limit
>      Fee
>
>       Basket Weaving
>      Mistress Kalida
>      4 hours
>      6
>      $5.00
>
>       Inkleloom Weaving
>      Honorable Lady Saqura
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Button Making
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Square Neck Chemise
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Heraldry
>      Lord Rufus Guthrie
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Seneschal Class
>      Mistress Ulrica
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Redwork Embroidery
>      HL Augustina
>      1 hour
>      none
>      $3.00
>
>       Bead Class
>      HL Adelaide
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Exchequers Class
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      2 hours
>      none
>      none
>
>       Documention
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Calligraphy
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Period Pigment Paints
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>
>
>
>       Is there a list of classes somewhere?
>   tanx...
>
>   george~
>   drum for your soul
>
>   _______________________________________________
>   Western mailing list
>   Western at ansteorra.org
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>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From DAFPIG at aol.com  Mon Feb  4 11:45:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:45:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Need Guantlets??? Come to BLAT
Message-ID: <178.3145055.29903eef@aol.com>

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 Desperately in need of a new pair of gauntlets?  Tired of your heavy rusted
steel pair?  WELL, You need to come to Brad Leah's Ansteorrean Tribute then!!


We have a lovely pair of black kydex(sp) Gauntlets just waiting to be used in
our Silent Auction!!!  This highest bidder will walk away with this pair of
nifty gauntlets just in time for Gulf Wars!  AND all the proceeds for the
Silent Auction goes to the Kingdom.  You can't beat that!!  Win a new pair of
gauntlets and help your kingdom in one bid.

There are many other spectacular items just waiting to go home with you in
our Auction.  Come and bid on them.  For more information on this upcoming
FREE Event.. please go to our home page.

Thanks and we'll see you there!
<A HREF="http://bradleah.ansteorra.org/">Click here: The Shire of Brad Leah</A>


From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  4 17:13:47 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Thanks to Sir Gideon Houshold and SCA friends
In-Reply-To: <3C5EDB9D.3090907@ig.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <20020205011347.30846.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

  Pictures of the event with TRM being the first
of the set of 170 will be done by Thursday and
the link posted here and the Ansteorrian
announcement-list. New additions to many of my
photos are comments at the bottom of some pics as
to whom and what is being done, this takes time,
I am starting to get an idea of what a full time
photographer must go through..

  For those interested in the pics of last-last
weeks Iceaxe they will be up wed' night.

  And thanks to Raven (new MOC to Middleford, I
think?) and Genevieve (as it was only her second
event Iceaxe being her first),  Many thanks..

P.s. Everyone who attended, helped or just made a
presents of atmosphere,
Thanks for making a very nice memory

Key Connor

Watch your eye, here comes the flash...

+++++++++++++++++

--- "Sean P. S. Gulick" <sean at ig.utexas.edu>
wrote:
> Thank you Claire.  I, in turn, would like to
> thank those who helped me
> man the ticket selling and helped with the
> execution of James of Severn.
>  The ones that come to mind immediately are
> Raven, Genevieve (both from
> Tempio)

SNIP......


=====
Clan Macleod
Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
http://auctions.yahoo.com


From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Mon Feb  4 20:29:04 2002
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (vscribe)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
Message-ID: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>

Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

??? Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships.? The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis.? Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected.? For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

??? Most cordially,

??? Andrew Smith
??? Andrew of Riga
??? Secretary, SCA Inc.
?

Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA?s membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation?s primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001?? % chg
Number of Members 23,814? 23,832? 23,802? 24,400? 24,988? + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue?? $145,932 $104,462 $94,277? $98,606? $87,741? - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001? % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries? $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996? $44,566? $46,625? $37,176? $42,822? + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230? $1,644? $2,625? $841? $355? - 92%
Officer expenses? $18,610? $9,717? $12,195? $10,671? $13,747? - 26%
Other Expenses?? $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264? ($1,212)

2001?s final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society?s immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made ?
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member?s own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) ?
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) ? available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal?s
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 ? A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting ?pay to play?. We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member?s share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. ?Unbundling?
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors
?

Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at sca.org or reply to this message.
_______________________________________________
Announcements mailing list
http://sca.org/mailman/listinfo/announcements
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From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:12:13 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement
References: <20020205024401.11905.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c1ae03$acb59200$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested to know
that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands, offered Don
Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and Teaching of
Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.

Bruno




From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:16:36 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Letter from the Board
Message-ID: <002101c1ae04$49b0a4a0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>I have been asked to post this letter from the Board of Directors to as
>many places as I can and encourage, plead and beg for commentary.  The
>chart part comes across slightly skewed by my e-mail program so if you want
>the original, I can send it as an attachment to individuals.  Please send
>your comments, pro and con.  The Board does not want to work in a vacumn,
>but if they only get 5 comments, they have to do what they think is
>best.  Also don't just write if you don't like something, write that you
>like something as well.  If all the comments are negative (because you
>people who like something don't bother to write), then you won't be happy
>when the changes aren't made the way you want.
>
>Please post this  to any other lists.  Print it out for those who don't
>have internet access.  Discuss it at your local meetings.
>
>Read and send you comments,
>Countess Megan
>Kingdom of the West Seneschal
>
>
>Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
>the Board of Directors:
>We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
>membership rate increase for the SCA.
>The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
>intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
>Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
>expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance costs
>will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production was raised
>14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in revenue; the postage
>portion of the stipend has been increased several times in response to
>increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are intended to cover the
>costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple newsletter, produced
>largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire a fancier or larger
>publication, or want to have the binding done professionally, need to raise
>funds to cover the increased costs of those improvements.) The Directors
>and officers have done their best to hold down the expenses they can
>directly control, often by donating the expenses involved in performing
>their duties, but that is a small percentage of the budget, and of course
>items like those mentioned above are to a large degree outside of our
>control. Membership numbers have not kept pace with these increases in
>costs, especially sustaining memberships, as can be seen from the fact
>that, while membership numbers are up, membership revenue is down.
>Membership fees are the Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number
>of paid members of the Society has remained fairly constant over the past
>several years. It is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and
>expenses increase, the financial picture is not good. Following is a
>summary of revenue and expenses for the past five years (all figures below
>rounded to nearest dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
>REVENUE         1997            1998            1999            2000
>      2001            % chg
>Number of
>Members       23,814          23,832          23,802          24,400
>    24,988          + 5%
>(includes all membership categories; annual average)
>Membership
>Revenue      $790,246        $621,768        $744,279        $761,633
>   $750,701        - 5%
>Other
>revenue           $145,932        $104,462        $94,277         $98,606
>        $87,741         - 40%
>(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
>revenue)
>TOTAL
>REVENUE   $936,178        $726,230        $838,556        $860,240
>$838,442        - 10%
>
>EXPENSES                1997            1998            1999
>2000            2001            % chg
>Kingdom
>Newsletters     $187,409        $189,421        $213,750        $209,789
>      $198,985        + 6%
>Staff
>Salaries          $172,693        $194,087        $219,253        $201,695
>        $221,680        + 28%
>(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
>Corp Office
>Expenses    $143,437        $115,817        $141,355        $134,165
>$155,835        + 9%
>Meetings/conferences    $36,996         $44,566         $46,625
>$37,176         $42,822         + 10%
>Board member
>expenses   $4,230          $1,644          $2,625          $841
>$355            - 92%
>Officer
>expenses                $18,610         $9,717          $12,195
>$10,671         $13,747         - 26%
>Other
>Expenses          $267,794        $265,971        $255,808        $257,638
>        $206,230        - 23%
>(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
>publications, and capital expenditures)
>TOTAL
>EXPENSES  $831,168        $812,222        $891,611        $851,976
>$839,654        + 1%
>
>NET
>INCOME(LOSS)        $105,010        ($85,992)       ($53,055)       $8,264
>          ($1,212)
>
>2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
>one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the donor
>for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002 budget
>projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget shortfalls
>over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency situation. At
>present there is enough money to cover our subscription liability and the
>Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the future, clearly that
>situation will not continue forever. The Board is strongly of the opinion
>that an adjustment is needed to cover increases in operating expenses that
>will inevitably occur in the coming years. It is our feeling that a single
>increase designed to last several years is preferable to smaller, more
>frequent increases, though we are open to argument on that point.
>As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
>corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that end,
>the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge (NMS),
>which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that reserve
>was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating reserve, which
>was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls at the Corporate
>level for some years now. It would not be financially prudent to spend all
>of the operating reserve with no plan to replace those funds.
>We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to increase
>revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We realize that these
>suggestions are by no means the only options available. Please send us your
>comments on these options and your alternative suggestions. The Board is
>seeking a consensus from the membership on how to proceed. At present no
>decisions have been made  except that something must be done. We request
>and highly encourage your suggestions and assistance. Note that
>International memberships are not specifically addressed here. Those rates
>may need to increase proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
>OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
>Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
>newsletter.
>Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year)  available
>only to immediate family members of a Basic member
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
>Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters and
>Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st
>class
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>OPTION 2 - all publications optional
>Basic membership: $25/year
>Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year)  available only to
>immediate family members of a Basic member
>Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
>(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only).
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
>meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
>subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
>report would be dropped.
>Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
>reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
>OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
>Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
>they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by $5
>to $10.
>
>OPTION 4  A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.
>We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
>suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become paid
>members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share the
>costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.
>
>OTHER OPTIONS
>Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the Non-Member
>Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each event to go to
>the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other possibilities that
>have not yet been brought to the table.
>
>Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling" the
>publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of memberships are
>undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be other answers. Nothing
>will be done until after input from the members and Kingdoms is received
>and carefully considered. The membership will be kept informed on the
>status of this endeavor.
>Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
>Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>PO Box 360789
>Milpitas CA 95036-0789
>
>Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
>Sincerely yours,
>The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


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From vallust at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  5 08:32:42 2002
From: vallust at earthlink.net (ronportwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:32:42 -0600
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
References: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>
Message-ID: <002101c1ae62$bcdccea0$936bca43@pavilion>

Everyone needs to read this and respond comments at sca.org! It's your game
folks
----- Original Message -----
From: "vscribe" <vscribe at ansteorra.org>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: [Western] FW: Membership Restructure Proposals



Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships. The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis. Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected. For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

Most cordially,

Andrew Smith
Andrew of Riga
Secretary, SCA Inc.


Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Number of Members 23,814 23,832 23,802 24,400 24,988 + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue $145,932 $104,462 $94,277 $98,606 $87,741 - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996 $44,566 $46,625 $37,176 $42,822 + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230 $1,644 $2,625 $841 $355 - 92%
Officer expenses $18,610 $9,717 $12,195 $10,671 $13,747 - 26%
Other Expenses $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264 ($1,212)

2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made -
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) -
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) - available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 - A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling"
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Feb  6 05:58:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:58:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Classes at Blat
Message-ID: <3f.61e6d61.2992909b@aol.com>

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Greetings,

For those of you who don't fight.. here is a list of classes to tempt you to
attend Blat.


Table One

9am-10am  Women in the Middle Ages  by Jacqueline

10am-11am  Feastocrating 101  by Lord Hans

11am-12am  FIMO beads by Lady Helen

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Hair Plaiting by Lady Kathleen

2pm-3pm  How to be a Chronicler by Lady Bianca


Table Two

9am-10am  Packing the Right Stuff   by HE Adria

10am-11am  Making Bruise Ointment by Lady Elaine

11am-12am  Perfume Making (or brewing)  by Valariee

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Basic Armoring  by Pedr

2pm-3pm  Surviving MOC Activities  by Lord Thorwald the Bald and Lady
Angelina


All day activities:

Scribal Table  by Lady Melody

Sewing Q&A  by Lady Helen


To Be Announced

Arrow Making by Countess Octavia

Reeve Class by Lady Gilyan




From rstarkey at camalott.com  Wed Feb  6 10:08:13 2002
From: rstarkey at camalott.com (rstarkey)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fw:      FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
Message-ID: <001801c1af39$4af5bd60$f170c941@default>

FYI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "gc_moderator" <gc_moderator at drakkar.org>
To: <SCAGC-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey


> * Forwarded (from: strmsg) by David Calafrancesco using timEd/2 1.10.y2k.
> From: "brogoose" <brogoose at msn.com>
> Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
>
> The following just hit the Caidan List, and was forwarded from the Rialto.
> I post it for your information without permission nor comment.  Edwin
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
> Date: 4 Feb 2002 11:49:26 -0800
> From: mcnutt at pobox.com (Bill McNutt)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>
> I have opened an electronic survey to get a rough count of Paid Members
(tm)
> of the SCA who would be willing or unwilling to take TI and the Kingdom
> Newsletters in electronic format to reduce production and distribution
costs
> and perhaps lower the financial problems the national organization has
> recently advertised.
>
> My first response to the recent Request for Comments (RPC) from the SCA
> Board of Directors was to wonder what cost cost cutting measures might be
> available.  Being a technologist by nature, my first thought was that it
is
> possible to distribute large, complicated, and graphically rich
> documents in a fairly simple, inexpensive manner, using the free Acrobat
> File Reader
> by Adobe.  With that in mind, I have opened this simple survey to get a
> rough count of folks in the SCA who might be willing to cut postal and
> production costs for our newsletters by accepting them via electronic
> distribution and printing them themselves, or keeping them in electronic
> form.  Right now I don't know how long the BoD is going to wait for
comment,
> so I'll presume the window is short, and ask you to fill out this survey
by
> 2/22/2002.
>
> I encourage you to cross-post this announcement to any newletters or
> newgroups that might find it relevant.
>
> The URL for the survey is located at
> http://www.outreach.utk.edu/McNutt/SCA/digitalscapublications.htm
>
> Thank You,
> THL William McNaughton - Loose Cannon
> Thor's Mountain, Meridies
> Disclaimer
>
> This is not an authorized publication by anybody for any particular
reason,
> except me.  My Barony, Kingdom, and the SCA haven't authorized me to take
> this survey, or asked me to do it.  In fact, one or more of them will
> probably jack-slap me in a public forum for being a Loose Cannon.  So
> don't hold them responsible for not responding if the survey doesn't tell
> them what they want to hear, or for any spelling errors or procedural
> failures.
>
>
>
> ---
> --
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> |
> | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 11:57:54 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:57:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <008801c1af48$928b66c0$8ffaf2d0@default>

  Coming up weekend after this one, that is Feb 15-17, Lindenwood is
sponsoring an event called Border Wars. It will be one of the last chances
for actual melee experience before Gulf. I would suggest to anyone that can
go, to go. Tell them I sent you<G>. It should be a fun time for everyone.
  Unfortunately, I can not go, work calls again. I will envy those that get
to go.
  For those that can not go either, I will have a war practice at Maxey
Park, in Bonwicke, our regular Sunday site.
 Valentine's Day will be over and you will not have an excuse. I know that I
could use the practice, what about you? Would really like to see eveyone
that can not go to Border Wars to come to Bonwicke to help out. Weather
permitting we can start just after lunch about 1:30. I will even sponsor a
tourney for those that show. I am sure that I have something worth giving
away, laying around here somewhere.
  So if you can go to Border Wars, I would suggest you go. If not then come
to Bonwicke.
  Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord




From bjarnklo at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  6 12:07:59 2002
From: bjarnklo at hotmail.com (Centurion Almarr Bjarnklö)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:07:59 -0600
Subject: [Western] Re: Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <F34buPViCvd6CobgZuI00012253@hotmail.com>

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Chaing,

  Brother, you do not look or sound very well.  I think you are getting very
sick and will have to take the weekend off.  If I were a doctor I would
suggest it..LOL

  I think you'd feel much better after a weekend of..... rest.....

Almarr

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From willowjonbardc at juno.com  Tue Feb  5 13:02:22 2002
From: willowjonbardc at juno.com (willow herbert)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:02:22 -0600
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement Ansteorra historical view
Message-ID: <20020205.150223.-307823.0.willowjonbardc@juno.com>

M'Lord Bruno

I am sure that by the time this gets to you  lots of people have written
you but since I was there as Queen my opinion has a little historical
value. Of course you know my husband , Duke Jonathan, was the first King
to sign light weapon rules into being. Also we were the first Crown to
face this decision. Master Tivar was voted yes by the Laurel for his work
in light weapon and yes by the Pelicans and choice had to be made. Would
Light weapons be permanent put in the category of "arts" or would we
maintain it as a fighting style and keep the door open for a fighting
peerage someday. At that time it was the hope of the light fighters that
it would someday be a fighting peerage and that is why I think  Tivar
chose the Pelican. Today the hope of light weapons ever being a fighting
peerage seems very remote but I do not think we should give up the hope.
As long as Ansteorra keeps the door open there is still hope. One of my
favorite Tao's statement is "most people fail at the verge of success" .
The fact that certain factions are using this ploy to stop the light
weapon movement makes me think we might be closer to the goal of light
weapons fighting being a fighting peerage than we believe.

Duchess Willow de 'wisp

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700 "Bruno" <bruno at armyofdorkness.org>
writes:
> Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested
> to know
> that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands,
> offered Don
> Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and
> Teaching of
> Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.
>
> Bruno
>
>
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From agnarr at quik.com  Wed Feb  6 17:09:39 2002
From: agnarr at quik.com (H.L. Agnarr Thorvaldsson)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Western] Arts and Science Officers
Message-ID: <008601c1af74$1eff4ec0$f12fb0d8@computer>

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Greetings all on the list.

At Bryn Gwlad Candlemas this past weekend I was named the Acting Minister of Arts and Sciences for the Western Region.

To that end I really need to have all the local A&S Officers contact me off list so I can get some information from them (you know just the basic stuff).

Thanks again.

HL Agnarr Thorvaldsson
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From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 17:21:03 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:21:03 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
Message-ID: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>

I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang



From laurie at wheelers.net  Wed Feb  6 20:47:54 2002
From: laurie at wheelers.net (Laurie)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:47:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
In-Reply-To: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <NFBBLHDEMLOIPPGKMAGBGEJBCCAA.laurie@wheelers.net>

Way to go Oriana! You will represent the Western Region well. You always do
such beautiful work!

Lady Aleysia de Eastbourne


-----Original Message-----
From: western-admin at ansteorra.org [mailto:western-admin at ansteorra.org]On
Behalf Of chiang
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:21 PM
To: Western List; Bonwicke
Subject: [Western] Congratulations


I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang

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From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  7 07:36:38 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:36:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] iceaxe and 3 kings photos are up on the web
Message-ID: <20020207153638.37258.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca3

  3 kings pt 3 280-331

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca1

  3 kings pt 1   1-190
  3 kings pt 2    191- 279

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca

  Iceaxe     100-255

With me looking after my lady Lily now living in
San Antonio, being sick she is here in Austin. I
will not get Candlemas up until late this weekend
as I am adding comments to the bottoms of
interesting photos I have taken.

 Please enjoy and if you see pics that should
have or needs correcting please email me at
constable_sca at yahoo.com

In service to the dream we share...

Ld Key Connor

P.s. if Ldy Ashlin or someone in BJ please pass
along the link to the photos as I am not a member
of the yahoo group yet... so much to do and us
little devils can be every where...

++++++++++++++++++


=====
Clan Macleod
Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

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From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Fri Feb  8 13:00:14 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:00:14 -0600
Subject: [Western] Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian
Message-ID: <3C643C5E.6FDB45D5@cox-internet.com>

The Honorable Lord Larkin O'Kane sends greetings to the list.

I know it's a bit early yet, but is there any information on where
Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian) will be held this year?

The reason for asking is that Healthy Families San Angelo is having it's
12th Annual Children's Fair on Sunday April 28 at College Hills Park and
the Shire of Trelac will be sponsoring a "Fight-A-Knight" booth. Kids
will have the pleasure of "killing" a "Knight" with a boffer sword and
the "Knights" will have the pleasure of making the kids enjoy it.

Last year the kids really wore the knights to a frazzle (there were only
four of us who fought around 300 kids) so this year I thought to invite
any who would like to come to Trelac after Champions de la Croix and
lend a hand (or a body as it were).

Although the site is as dry as a bone (it is a kids event after all)  I
do have five gallons of mead for the party afterwards.

YIS,
Larkin

--
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smile because it happened.
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From wildjourne at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 22:13:11 2002
From: wildjourne at yahoo.com (Wildjourne)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:13:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] FYI - Queen's B-Day
Message-ID: <001901c1b2c3$2f89a040$eb449fac@shaft>

Just 8 more days until Queen Brita's birthday...


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From simone at elfsea.net  Mon Feb 11 12:09:13 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:09:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Guardian of the Tor
Message-ID: <00e201c1b338$011d1c30$0501a8c0@camalot>

Greetings Good Gentles all.

The Canton Of Dragonsfire Tor cordially invites you one and all to attend
the 11th  annual Guardian of the Tor, to Be held at The Broken O Ranch in
Glen Rose, Texas the weekend of June 28-30th.

Come enjoy the Hospitality of Dragonsfire Tor, help us to celebrate the love
we have for our kingdom. test your skill against some of the finest talent
in our good kingdom to become one of the next champions of the Tor.

this Glorious weekend a tournament shall be held to discover our new
Chivalric Guardian, Rapier Guardian, and Archery Guardian of the Tor.

Bards of excellent skill and ability shall fill the evening with story poem
and song to Entertain all as they compete for the title of Bard of
Dragonsfire Tor.

Come experience a firsts at Dragonsfire Tor as we Host our first Equestrian
Tourney.

Brewers come share your expertise and skill as The Tor will be hosting a
Brewing Competition.
Cooks please bring your skill and art for a culinary competition to be
Judged at lunch time Saturday

Squires and Cadets please start looking at our new and unattached fighters
for there will be a tourney Sunday for new and unattached fighters. the
entrants of this tourney must be sponsored by a Squire  for the chivalric
tourney and a cadet for the Rapier tourney on Sunday.

There will be a Squires and Cadets Lunch on Saturday so that new and
unattached fighters can meet the Squires and Cadets

Many more activities are planned through out the weekend. more detail will
be announced as we draw closer to the Date of this grand event.

Make plans to attend now to attend this event. Our host at the Broken O have
provided us with 200 Acers of land on the Brazos river  for our use and
enjoyment.

This site is Wet,
Pets welcome with current rabies vaccinations,
Horses welcome they must meet with the requirements set down in the
Equestrian rules in the Participants handbook.
A professionally catered feast provided by the Broken O Ranch more
information on feast reservations to come.
Horses available for rent on site
pony rides and Hay rides will be availed during the event.

Site opens at 5 pm on Friday closes at 6 pm Sunday evening

Volunteers please contact the Autocrat

Autocrat
Lady Simone Maurian ui'Dunlaingh
Margaret Risher
1088 W. Green St. Stephenville, TX 76401
(254) 968-5319 call welcome between 11am and midnight
e-mail simone at elfsea.net

In service
Lady Simone Maurian ui' Dunlaingh
simone at elfsea.net





From masterosario at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 17:39:11 2002
From: masterosario at cox.net (Rosario)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:39:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] Gulf War Land
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Greetings unto the West.....If you are planning on going to Gulf War, even if you did Pre-register and you want to Camp with the Western Region
Please e-mail me your info......Mundame name....SCA name.....(and Tent size if possible)....You have till FEB.22nd to let me know and to have some sort of area set aside for your camping.

This message does not apply to the folks that have talked to me already via Phone or E-mail or the List I had at Bonwickes 12th night..............


Thank you

Rosario

masterosario at cox.net

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From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Feb 15 10:23:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] War Practice
Message-ID: <003b01c1b64d$d9b158a0$affbf2d0@default>

Please do not forget that I am hosting a War Practice this Sunday at Maxey
Park. This is for anyone that needs the practice that may not be going to
Border Wars.
I would like to get started around 1:30 PM. This will be one of the last
chances for organized practice before Gulf Wars. It does not matter wheather
you plan on going to Gulf or not....we all need the practice<G>.
I will also be doing or taking care of authorizations, if you need them.
There will be not authorizations done at the war, so take care of them now.
Thanks,
HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 15 14:08:31 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Western] Rapier Practice for Gulf War
Message-ID: <F165M0XM7hqfVyR7i8i000185a6@hotmail.com>

This is to one and all rapier fighters in the Western Region.
There will be a regional rapier fighter practice this weekend in Bonwicke.
All rapier fighters who are going to Gulf and who are not going to Gulf need
to be there.
If you are going to Gulf, you need the practice. If you are not going to
Gulf, we need you to practice against. All fighters are needed.
You can help support Ansteorra by helping those who are going. This year we
will be outnumbered, but we can still win this war with practice. So be
there. Ansteorra needs you, don't fail her.
Sunday at 1:30, north east corner of Maxey Park.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 18 14:46:43 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:46:43 -0600
Subject: [Western] Regional Practice
Message-ID: <F1459wHRQaXibm60wcP00010ad2@hotmail.com>

I would like to thank every rapier fighter who showed up for Sunday's rapier
practice. All one of her.

If she could come from the second farthest place in the region, where were
the rest of you?

And you wonder why our numbers are dwindling.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From alasdairmaciain at charter.net  Tue Feb 19 19:22:38 2002
From: alasdairmaciain at charter.net (Alasdair MacIain)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
Message-ID: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>

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Greetings everyone,

I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.

Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.

Later,
Alasdair
--



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 20 19:59:28 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:59:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Greetings
Message-ID: <006501c1ba8c$29a43660$5972c941@oemcomputer>

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I, Yves de Byron of Mendersham, have neglected to get on this list until now. I am the rapier marshall, and chronicler for Mendersham. Have been in for 20 months now. I fight light, and as George has said "look like Radioactiveman" in my green tunic. Was AoAed Jan. at Bonwick's 12th night (the one in the apron going to the crown <G>). This year will be my first Gulf War, hopefully. I have my confirmation of pre-reservation in hand from Rebecca. Attended 11 events last year, and hope to make a few more this year if things go as planned.
                   Have beer - Will Travel                Ld Yves de Byron
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From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 13:13:09 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:13:09 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010409b89b0ec28c56@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching and I come to you
today with news of this grand day. The Barony of Bonwicke has the
honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join us. The list will
be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big Spring, Texas in and
around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty of room for camping,
and hotels in close proximity. The site opens 3:00 pm, Friday, and
closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will be taking letters of
intent from those that wish to fight in the Crown list but they are
not required. Their Majesties have requested that all fighters bring
their Honor Shields so that all may know who is on the field at any
given time and have also requested a grand display of heraldry from
the populace. Bring your banners, bring your shields, help brighten
the field with displays of your heraldry. A popular vote Arts and
Sciences competition will be held in the main hall during the day
Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested but not required.
There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master Rosario and his
talented crew; feast is wet in period containers only, the rest of
the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space is outdoors, please
contact the steward for reservations. The fee for merchants is a
donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 14:05:10 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:05:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament Date
Message-ID: <p0501040cb89b1eb14ab9@[12.5.160.144]>

It might help to know that the date of the spring Crown Tournament is
March 22nd-24th. My thanks to his Lordship Toshiro for catching that
little faux pas.

In service,
Kainin


From chiang at odsy.net  Thu Feb 21 21:05:21 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:05:21 -0600
Subject: [Western] Western Region Fighter
Message-ID: <005701c1bb5e$894365a0$6afaf2d0@default>

    Greetings to the Fighters of the West,
It is just a few short weeks to Gulf Wars. I hope that most of you are
planning on going.
  It is time to get those last minute armor repairs done. If you need any
authorizations, please get in touch with me or an authorizing marshal. There
will not be any done at the War.
  For those of you going there are a couple of things that HG Kein would
like for you to do. He would like for people to have thrusters on their
swords or a stabbing weapon handy. Really good for those times when you can
stab but not swing. If you are using a spear, he would like you to have a
shield hook on it.
  For everyone that is wants to help out in any way, His Grace would also
like to have lots of throwing axes, more commonly called Pork chops.
  We are going to need lots of help this year. We will be most likely out
numbered when we get there. Also I would like to see a bigger turnout than
usual, being as the King and Queen are from the Western Region, we should
show up to support them. We had 29 fighters when HRM Aaron was the Kingdom
Warlord, now that he is King, we can beat that.
   Well I guess that is enough for now<G> See you at the War, I hope.
   Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From kainin at copycraft.com  Fri Feb 22 08:30:28 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:30:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010403b89c1ec52906@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching (March 22nd - 24th)
and I come to you today with news of this grand day. The Barony of
Bonwicke has the honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join
us. The list will be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big
Spring, Texas in and around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty
of room for camping, and hotels in close proximity. The site opens
3:00 pm, Friday, and closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will
be taking letters of intent from those that wish to fight in the
Crown list but they are not required. Their Majesties have requested
that all fighters bring their Honor Shields so that all may know who
is on the field at any given time and have also requested a grand
display of heraldry from the populace. Bring your banners, bring your
shields, help brighten the field with displays of your heraldry. A
popular vote Arts and Sciences competition will be held in the main
hall during the day Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested
but not required. There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master
Rosario and his talented crew; feast is wet in period containers
only, the rest of the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space
is outdoors, please contact the steward for reservations. The fee for
merchants is a donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From whitemage at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 23 18:39:54 2002
From: whitemage at worldnet.att.net (James Hanke)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
References: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>
Message-ID: <3C78527A.AFE1734C@worldnet.att.net>

Greetings to a former member of Mendersham.  Good to hear from you again,  how are things going since we saw each other at Gothic..
Will you becoming to the shire Defender.  I will see you there if you come.

Ld Morgan MacAlpin






Alasdair MacIain wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Greetings everyone,
>
> I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.
>
> Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.
>
> Later,
> Alasdair
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb 25 12:18:41 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:18:41 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Outlands Costume Collegium
Message-ID: <013f01c1be39$9e7a19e0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

> This announcement has gone out to h-costume, sca-garb, KWCS and the Caer
> Galen list. Please feel free to send it to any relevant lists you may be
> on, including Kingdom lists and Laurels lists. Please BCC:
> editor at costumemag.com when you do, so I can keep track and not nag the
> lists unnecessarily.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Autocrat
>
>
> Greetings costumers,
>
> The people of the Outlands take great pleasure in inviting one and all
> to our fifth Costume Collegium to be held April 6 & 7, 2002 in Trinidad,
Colorado.
>
> Our guest speaker is Robin Netherton, known to many on these lists.
> Robin will present a detailed analysis of the fitted fashion of 14th
> century Western Europe, showing how it evolved from earlier unfitted
> fashions, the various versions and uses of the style, and how it formed
> the basis for the later development of the more structured fashions of
> the 15th and 16th centuries. She will also discuss the extant garments
> from the Herjolfsnes (Greenland) grave site, particularly the oft-cited
> "ten-gore" dress, with a discussion of how the Greenland finds might
> influence our understanding of 14th century European fashion.
>
> Marc Carlson from Tulsa OK, known in the SCA as Diarmaid O'Duinn, will
> present a history of shoemaking, and a short workshop on making the 3
> fingered glove seen in the Luttrell Psalter and other sources.
>
> We are also pleased to have renowned SCA embroiderer Lady Rouge du
> Maurier from Caid (Las Vegas NV), who will present a 2 day workshop on
> metal thread embroidery.
>
> There are many other teachers presenting a wide body of information on
> clothing within the SCA period, and we invite you to go to the web site
> (http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/) for more information.
>
> If any of you wish to share your knowledge and expertise with us in the
> Outlands, please fill in the teacher form on the web site. We will be
> delighted to have you!
>
> Of course there will be merchants. We currently have merchants selling
> trim and metal thread embroidery supplies, jewelry, and books. Merchants
> are warmly invited to email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) to
> reserve a table.
>
> The event will take place in Berg Hall on the campus of Trinidad State
> Junior College. Directions and a map are on the web site.
>
> The site fee covers a light breakfast both days, a box lunch and the
> Saturday evening reception to honor our excellent teachers. Any
> materials fees, and the event proceedings are extra.
>
> Pre-registration using the form on the web site is strongly encouraged.
> We really want to know how much food to prepare!
>
> Trinidad, Colorado is on Interstate 25, just north of the New Mexico
> border. Amtrak goes through town twice daily, and the closest airport is
> Colorado Springs, Colorado.
>
> There are the usual chain motels in town, and links are on the web site.
> Space is available in the TSJC dormitories, as well. Dorm space is $25
> per night single or $20 per person per night double. Couples may stay in
> the double rooms. Bedding is provided, but you must bring your own
> towels. Dorms must be reserved and paid for by March 22, no exceptions.
> Please email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) for reservations.
>
> We eagerly look forward to having you at this event!
http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Outlands
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Feb 26 21:06:33 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>

   Greetings Once Again,
HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
know, so that we can see how we stand.
  Thanks,
   HE Chiang



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 07:15:13 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:15:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>

Spear. Greatsword.

Aaron will be using a shield.

----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From jlusk at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 05:38:02 2002
From: jlusk at crcom.net (Jane Lusk)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:38:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
Message-ID: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>

Greetings unto all of this fair region!

I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
the question on to you good gentles.

In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
come from and what does it mean.

So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?

Many thanks!

Your friend,
Ldy Elewys Luscomb
Crossrode Keep


From jacquelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 05:49:51 2002
From: jacquelight at cableone.net (Jacque)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>

Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just withers
them with a look.  Does that count?

U


----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Feb 27 08:43:41 2002
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Eirik)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:43:41 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
In-Reply-To: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <MABBLJIJFFGDLBELHDPAEEOKCJAA.eirik@hot.rr.com>

You might do better to post this on the Ansteorra list. Someone who was
around when the kingdom was a principality would probably know.

Eirik



From cadmartha at wcc.net  Wed Feb 27 08:37:51 2002
From: cadmartha at wcc.net (Cad & Marthe)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>

It is Saxon and means one star.

Cad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 09:52:16 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:52:16 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>

Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?

Larkin

Joe Light wrote:
>
> Spear. Greatsword.
>
> Aaron will be using a shield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

--
Don't cry because it's over;
smile because it happened.
--


From m_geisendorff at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 10:47:05 2002
From: m_geisendorff at yahoo.com (TRM Aaron and Britta)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
In-Reply-To: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <20020227184705.91530.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>

*ROFL*  I think he means his son Aaron. And you
should see him use it to shield punch... Deadly!
:)

HRM Aaron

--- Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane
<larkinokane at cox-internet.com> wrote:
> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a
> shield?
>
> Larkin
>
> Joe Light wrote:
> >
> > Spear. Greatsword.
> >
> > Aaron will be using a shield.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> > To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> > Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >
> > >    Greetings Once Again,
> > > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me
> to try and get an
> > accounting
> > > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what
> they will be fighting with.
> > > Some of you have replied to me before, others
> have not. I really do need
> > to
> > > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> > >   Thanks,
> > >    HE Chiang
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Western mailing list
> > > Western at ansteorra.org
> > >
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> --
> Don't cry because it's over;
> smile because it happened.
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western


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From jasper1420 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:56:56 2002
From: jasper1420 at hotmail.com (Kevin W)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>

Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites. Glaive,
spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but he
might also be in my war party.

Jas


>From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
>Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
>To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
>
>    Greetings Once Again,
>HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
>of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
>Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
>know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
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From simone at elfsea.net  Wed Feb 27 15:00:54 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net> <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>
Message-ID: <00a501c1bfe2$9d297ae0$0501a8c0@camalot>

The meaning of the word Ansteorra is a good question. One Which HE Galen of
Bristol answered for me when I asked a few years ago. below is the gist of
the story he told.

Ansteorra is Saxon for one star but not any star. it comes from a reference
made by a Saxon Monk writing about a comet that had appeared in the heavens.
It was one of the times Hailey's comet had passed  close enough to the earth
to be seen by the naked eye in the middle ages. (NOTE. at that time the
comet was unnamed and people did not know what it was)

Of that comet the Saxon monk referred to it as being the "Ansteorra that one
star Singular and Unique in the heavens".

it is from the same description of Hailey's comet that our kingdom  derives
it's Motto Uniques et Singularus  which translates to Singular and Unique.

Lady Simone ui Dunlaingh


> > Greetings unto all of this fair region!
> >
> > I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> > the question on to you good gentles.
> >
> > In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> > Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> > the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> > come from and what does it mean.
> >
> > So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> > names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > Your friend,
> > Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> > Crossrode Keep
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 15:54:44 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>

Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.

> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
>
> Larkin
>




From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb 27 15:22:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:22:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfe5$9d7b3d00$64faf2d0@default>

Only if they are going to Gulf Wars, but it does sound like the makings of a
great tavern brawl. Which makes one think.......hhhhmmmm...<G>
HE C......would that be heck?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacque" <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:38:05 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:38:05 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>

I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
that. <G>     Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: chiang <chiang at odsy.net>
To: Western List <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:40:08 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:40:08 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <004201c1bfe8$21794c80$4072c941@oemcomputer>

Yes, it counts very well in my book. <BG>       Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacque <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From grlgeorg at nts-online.net  Wed Feb 27 16:20:46 2002
From: grlgeorg at nts-online.net (george~)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:20:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>



: I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
: that. <G>     Byron
:


Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??


:-p

george



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 16:57:10 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:57:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com> <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D8066.BB36B5B8@cox-internet.com>

And his job is to shield his dad? Way to go...


Joe Light wrote:
>
> Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.
>
> > Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
> >
> > Larkin
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

--
Don't cry because it's over;
smile because it happened.
--


From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 19:47:51 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:47:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer> <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>
Message-ID: <000b01c1c00a$b31e5500$2071c941@oemcomputer>

mmmmmmm...... maybe.       <G>           Byron
----- Original Message -----
From: george~ <grlgeorg at nts-online.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>
>
>
> : I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you
know
> : that. <G>     Byron
> :
>
>
> Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??
>
>
> :-p
>
> george
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:46:46 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <008901c1c00b$c3f3e9c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Loosely translated it means "single star" I believe.  I don't know the
language (Gailec maybe), but it was selected because of it's similarity to
"Lone Star."

That's all I know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:49:18 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:49:18 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c1c00b$c50077c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Culen is coming as well, and I believe he will be using sword and board and
possibly doing combat archery.  I'm not sure but will ask him next time I
see him. and if I'm wrong I will let you know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin W" <jasper1420 at hotmail.com>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites.
Glaive,
> spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
> fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but
he
> might also be in my war party.
>
> Jas
>
>
> >From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
> >Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
> >To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
> >
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> >HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> >of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> >Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> >know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Western mailing list
> >Western at ansteorra.org
> >http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From eawspears at nts-online.net  Sat Feb  2 21:57:02 2002
From: eawspears at nts-online.net (Elizabeth Spears)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:57:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] Bards & Arts
References: <000501c1aaae$d9d30040$6584a7d8@grlgeorg> <000e01c1aab8$d7973580$382432cf@tcac.net>
Message-ID: <000701c1ac77$9b289ba0$8283a7d8@preferrc>

Thanks for a great day of learning and teaching.  Loved the basket weaving.
Thanks to all the imput and intrest in the documentation class.

Hl Niccola Visconti


----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda <aerin at tcac.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Bards & Arts


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Greetings! There should be a list up in a few days on our shire website.
In
> the mean time I will put up a tenative list here. I do not have an actual
> schedule made up yet but there will be one by Saturday! See you there!
>
> Aerin
> Teacher Co-ordinator for Bards & Arts VI
>
>       Class Name
>      Teacher
>      Length
>      Limit
>      Fee
>
>       Basket Weaving
>      Mistress Kalida
>      4 hours
>      6
>      $5.00
>
>       Inkleloom Weaving
>      Honorable Lady Saqura
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Button Making
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Square Neck Chemise
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Heraldry
>      Lord Rufus Guthrie
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Seneschal Class
>      Mistress Ulrica
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Redwork Embroidery
>      HL Augustina
>      1 hour
>      none
>      $3.00
>
>       Bead Class
>      HL Adelaide
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Exchequers Class
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      2 hours
>      none
>      none
>
>       Documention
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Calligraphy
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Period Pigment Paints
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>
>
>
>       Is there a list of classes somewhere?
>   tanx...
>
>   george~
>   drum for your soul
>
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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Mon Feb  4 11:45:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:45:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Need Guantlets??? Come to BLAT
Message-ID: <178.3145055.29903eef@aol.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
 Desperately in need of a new pair of gauntlets?  Tired of your heavy rusted
steel pair?  WELL, You need to come to Brad Leah's Ansteorrean Tribute then!!


We have a lovely pair of black kydex(sp) Gauntlets just waiting to be used in
our Silent Auction!!!  This highest bidder will walk away with this pair of
nifty gauntlets just in time for Gulf Wars!  AND all the proceeds for the
Silent Auction goes to the Kingdom.  You can't beat that!!  Win a new pair of
gauntlets and help your kingdom in one bid.

There are many other spectacular items just waiting to go home with you in
our Auction.  Come and bid on them.  For more information on this upcoming
FREE Event.. please go to our home page.

Thanks and we'll see you there!
<A HREF="http://bradleah.ansteorra.org/">Click here: The Shire of Brad Leah</A>


From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  4 17:13:47 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Thanks to Sir Gideon Houshold and SCA friends
In-Reply-To: <3C5EDB9D.3090907@ig.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <20020205011347.30846.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

  Pictures of the event with TRM being the first
of the set of 170 will be done by Thursday and
the link posted here and the Ansteorrian
announcement-list. New additions to many of my
photos are comments at the bottom of some pics as
to whom and what is being done, this takes time,
I am starting to get an idea of what a full time
photographer must go through..

  For those interested in the pics of last-last
weeks Iceaxe they will be up wed' night.

  And thanks to Raven (new MOC to Middleford, I
think?) and Genevieve (as it was only her second
event Iceaxe being her first),  Many thanks..

P.s. Everyone who attended, helped or just made a
presents of atmosphere,
Thanks for making a very nice memory

Key Connor

Watch your eye, here comes the flash...

+++++++++++++++++

--- "Sean P. S. Gulick" <sean at ig.utexas.edu>
wrote:
> Thank you Claire.  I, in turn, would like to
> thank those who helped me
> man the ticket selling and helped with the
> execution of James of Severn.
>  The ones that come to mind immediately are
> Raven, Genevieve (both from
> Tempio)

SNIP......


=====
Clan Macleod
Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
http://auctions.yahoo.com


From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Mon Feb  4 20:29:04 2002
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (vscribe)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
Message-ID: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>

Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

??? Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships.? The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis.? Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected.? For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

??? Most cordially,

??? Andrew Smith
??? Andrew of Riga
??? Secretary, SCA Inc.
?

Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA?s membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation?s primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001?? % chg
Number of Members 23,814? 23,832? 23,802? 24,400? 24,988? + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue?? $145,932 $104,462 $94,277? $98,606? $87,741? - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001? % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries? $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996? $44,566? $46,625? $37,176? $42,822? + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230? $1,644? $2,625? $841? $355? - 92%
Officer expenses? $18,610? $9,717? $12,195? $10,671? $13,747? - 26%
Other Expenses?? $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264? ($1,212)

2001?s final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society?s immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made ?
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member?s own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) ?
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) ? available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal?s
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 ? A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting ?pay to play?. We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member?s share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. ?Unbundling?
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors
?

Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at sca.org or reply to this message.
_______________________________________________
Announcements mailing list
http://sca.org/mailman/listinfo/announcements
_______________________________________________
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Spiders at sca.org
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From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:12:13 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement
References: <20020205024401.11905.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c1ae03$acb59200$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested to know
that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands, offered Don
Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and Teaching of
Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.

Bruno




From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:16:36 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Letter from the Board
Message-ID: <002101c1ae04$49b0a4a0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>I have been asked to post this letter from the Board of Directors to as
>many places as I can and encourage, plead and beg for commentary.  The
>chart part comes across slightly skewed by my e-mail program so if you want
>the original, I can send it as an attachment to individuals.  Please send
>your comments, pro and con.  The Board does not want to work in a vacumn,
>but if they only get 5 comments, they have to do what they think is
>best.  Also don't just write if you don't like something, write that you
>like something as well.  If all the comments are negative (because you
>people who like something don't bother to write), then you won't be happy
>when the changes aren't made the way you want.
>
>Please post this  to any other lists.  Print it out for those who don't
>have internet access.  Discuss it at your local meetings.
>
>Read and send you comments,
>Countess Megan
>Kingdom of the West Seneschal
>
>
>Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
>the Board of Directors:
>We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
>membership rate increase for the SCA.
>The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
>intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
>Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
>expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance costs
>will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production was raised
>14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in revenue; the postage
>portion of the stipend has been increased several times in response to
>increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are intended to cover the
>costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple newsletter, produced
>largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire a fancier or larger
>publication, or want to have the binding done professionally, need to raise
>funds to cover the increased costs of those improvements.) The Directors
>and officers have done their best to hold down the expenses they can
>directly control, often by donating the expenses involved in performing
>their duties, but that is a small percentage of the budget, and of course
>items like those mentioned above are to a large degree outside of our
>control. Membership numbers have not kept pace with these increases in
>costs, especially sustaining memberships, as can be seen from the fact
>that, while membership numbers are up, membership revenue is down.
>Membership fees are the Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number
>of paid members of the Society has remained fairly constant over the past
>several years. It is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and
>expenses increase, the financial picture is not good. Following is a
>summary of revenue and expenses for the past five years (all figures below
>rounded to nearest dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
>REVENUE         1997            1998            1999            2000
>      2001            % chg
>Number of
>Members       23,814          23,832          23,802          24,400
>    24,988          + 5%
>(includes all membership categories; annual average)
>Membership
>Revenue      $790,246        $621,768        $744,279        $761,633
>   $750,701        - 5%
>Other
>revenue           $145,932        $104,462        $94,277         $98,606
>        $87,741         - 40%
>(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
>revenue)
>TOTAL
>REVENUE   $936,178        $726,230        $838,556        $860,240
>$838,442        - 10%
>
>EXPENSES                1997            1998            1999
>2000            2001            % chg
>Kingdom
>Newsletters     $187,409        $189,421        $213,750        $209,789
>      $198,985        + 6%
>Staff
>Salaries          $172,693        $194,087        $219,253        $201,695
>        $221,680        + 28%
>(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
>Corp Office
>Expenses    $143,437        $115,817        $141,355        $134,165
>$155,835        + 9%
>Meetings/conferences    $36,996         $44,566         $46,625
>$37,176         $42,822         + 10%
>Board member
>expenses   $4,230          $1,644          $2,625          $841
>$355            - 92%
>Officer
>expenses                $18,610         $9,717          $12,195
>$10,671         $13,747         - 26%
>Other
>Expenses          $267,794        $265,971        $255,808        $257,638
>        $206,230        - 23%
>(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
>publications, and capital expenditures)
>TOTAL
>EXPENSES  $831,168        $812,222        $891,611        $851,976
>$839,654        + 1%
>
>NET
>INCOME(LOSS)        $105,010        ($85,992)       ($53,055)       $8,264
>          ($1,212)
>
>2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
>one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the donor
>for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002 budget
>projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget shortfalls
>over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency situation. At
>present there is enough money to cover our subscription liability and the
>Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the future, clearly that
>situation will not continue forever. The Board is strongly of the opinion
>that an adjustment is needed to cover increases in operating expenses that
>will inevitably occur in the coming years. It is our feeling that a single
>increase designed to last several years is preferable to smaller, more
>frequent increases, though we are open to argument on that point.
>As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
>corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that end,
>the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge (NMS),
>which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that reserve
>was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating reserve, which
>was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls at the Corporate
>level for some years now. It would not be financially prudent to spend all
>of the operating reserve with no plan to replace those funds.
>We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to increase
>revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We realize that these
>suggestions are by no means the only options available. Please send us your
>comments on these options and your alternative suggestions. The Board is
>seeking a consensus from the membership on how to proceed. At present no
>decisions have been made  except that something must be done. We request
>and highly encourage your suggestions and assistance. Note that
>International memberships are not specifically addressed here. Those rates
>may need to increase proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
>OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
>Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
>newsletter.
>Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year)  available
>only to immediate family members of a Basic member
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
>Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters and
>Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st
>class
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>OPTION 2 - all publications optional
>Basic membership: $25/year
>Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year)  available only to
>immediate family members of a Basic member
>Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
>(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only).
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
>meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
>subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
>report would be dropped.
>Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
>reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
>OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
>Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
>they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by $5
>to $10.
>
>OPTION 4  A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.
>We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
>suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become paid
>members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share the
>costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.
>
>OTHER OPTIONS
>Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the Non-Member
>Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each event to go to
>the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other possibilities that
>have not yet been brought to the table.
>
>Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling" the
>publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of memberships are
>undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be other answers. Nothing
>will be done until after input from the members and Kingdoms is received
>and carefully considered. The membership will be kept informed on the
>status of this endeavor.
>Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
>Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>PO Box 360789
>Milpitas CA 95036-0789
>
>Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
>Sincerely yours,
>The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


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From vallust at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  5 08:32:42 2002
From: vallust at earthlink.net (ronportwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:32:42 -0600
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
References: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>
Message-ID: <002101c1ae62$bcdccea0$936bca43@pavilion>

Everyone needs to read this and respond comments at sca.org! It's your game
folks
----- Original Message -----
From: "vscribe" <vscribe at ansteorra.org>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: [Western] FW: Membership Restructure Proposals



Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships. The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis. Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected. For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

Most cordially,

Andrew Smith
Andrew of Riga
Secretary, SCA Inc.


Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Number of Members 23,814 23,832 23,802 24,400 24,988 + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue $145,932 $104,462 $94,277 $98,606 $87,741 - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996 $44,566 $46,625 $37,176 $42,822 + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230 $1,644 $2,625 $841 $355 - 92%
Officer expenses $18,610 $9,717 $12,195 $10,671 $13,747 - 26%
Other Expenses $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264 ($1,212)

2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made -
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) -
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) - available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 - A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling"
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at sca.org or reply to this message.
_______________________________________________
Announcements mailing list
http://sca.org/mailman/listinfo/announcements
_______________________________________________
Spiders mailing list
Spiders at sca.org
http://sca.org/mailman/listinfo/spiders

_______________________________________________
Western mailing list
Western at ansteorra.org
http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Feb  6 05:58:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:58:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Classes at Blat
Message-ID: <3f.61e6d61.2992909b@aol.com>

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Greetings,

For those of you who don't fight.. here is a list of classes to tempt you to
attend Blat.


Table One

9am-10am  Women in the Middle Ages  by Jacqueline

10am-11am  Feastocrating 101  by Lord Hans

11am-12am  FIMO beads by Lady Helen

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Hair Plaiting by Lady Kathleen

2pm-3pm  How to be a Chronicler by Lady Bianca


Table Two

9am-10am  Packing the Right Stuff   by HE Adria

10am-11am  Making Bruise Ointment by Lady Elaine

11am-12am  Perfume Making (or brewing)  by Valariee

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Basic Armoring  by Pedr

2pm-3pm  Surviving MOC Activities  by Lord Thorwald the Bald and Lady
Angelina


All day activities:

Scribal Table  by Lady Melody

Sewing Q&A  by Lady Helen


To Be Announced

Arrow Making by Countess Octavia

Reeve Class by Lady Gilyan




From rstarkey at camalott.com  Wed Feb  6 10:08:13 2002
From: rstarkey at camalott.com (rstarkey)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fw:      FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
Message-ID: <001801c1af39$4af5bd60$f170c941@default>

FYI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "gc_moderator" <gc_moderator at drakkar.org>
To: <SCAGC-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey


> * Forwarded (from: strmsg) by David Calafrancesco using timEd/2 1.10.y2k.
> From: "brogoose" <brogoose at msn.com>
> Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
>
> The following just hit the Caidan List, and was forwarded from the Rialto.
> I post it for your information without permission nor comment.  Edwin
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
> Date: 4 Feb 2002 11:49:26 -0800
> From: mcnutt at pobox.com (Bill McNutt)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>
> I have opened an electronic survey to get a rough count of Paid Members
(tm)
> of the SCA who would be willing or unwilling to take TI and the Kingdom
> Newsletters in electronic format to reduce production and distribution
costs
> and perhaps lower the financial problems the national organization has
> recently advertised.
>
> My first response to the recent Request for Comments (RPC) from the SCA
> Board of Directors was to wonder what cost cost cutting measures might be
> available.  Being a technologist by nature, my first thought was that it
is
> possible to distribute large, complicated, and graphically rich
> documents in a fairly simple, inexpensive manner, using the free Acrobat
> File Reader
> by Adobe.  With that in mind, I have opened this simple survey to get a
> rough count of folks in the SCA who might be willing to cut postal and
> production costs for our newsletters by accepting them via electronic
> distribution and printing them themselves, or keeping them in electronic
> form.  Right now I don't know how long the BoD is going to wait for
comment,
> so I'll presume the window is short, and ask you to fill out this survey
by
> 2/22/2002.
>
> I encourage you to cross-post this announcement to any newletters or
> newgroups that might find it relevant.
>
> The URL for the survey is located at
> http://www.outreach.utk.edu/McNutt/SCA/digitalscapublications.htm
>
> Thank You,
> THL William McNaughton - Loose Cannon
> Thor's Mountain, Meridies
> Disclaimer
>
> This is not an authorized publication by anybody for any particular
reason,
> except me.  My Barony, Kingdom, and the SCA haven't authorized me to take
> this survey, or asked me to do it.  In fact, one or more of them will
> probably jack-slap me in a public forum for being a Loose Cannon.  So
> don't hold them responsible for not responding if the survey doesn't tell
> them what they want to hear, or for any spelling errors or procedural
> failures.
>
>
>
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From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 11:57:54 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:57:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <008801c1af48$928b66c0$8ffaf2d0@default>

  Coming up weekend after this one, that is Feb 15-17, Lindenwood is
sponsoring an event called Border Wars. It will be one of the last chances
for actual melee experience before Gulf. I would suggest to anyone that can
go, to go. Tell them I sent you<G>. It should be a fun time for everyone.
  Unfortunately, I can not go, work calls again. I will envy those that get
to go.
  For those that can not go either, I will have a war practice at Maxey
Park, in Bonwicke, our regular Sunday site.
 Valentine's Day will be over and you will not have an excuse. I know that I
could use the practice, what about you? Would really like to see eveyone
that can not go to Border Wars to come to Bonwicke to help out. Weather
permitting we can start just after lunch about 1:30. I will even sponsor a
tourney for those that show. I am sure that I have something worth giving
away, laying around here somewhere.
  So if you can go to Border Wars, I would suggest you go. If not then come
to Bonwicke.
  Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord




From bjarnklo at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  6 12:07:59 2002
From: bjarnklo at hotmail.com (Centurion Almarr Bjarnklö)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:07:59 -0600
Subject: [Western] Re: Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <F34buPViCvd6CobgZuI00012253@hotmail.com>

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Chaing,

  Brother, you do not look or sound very well.  I think you are getting very
sick and will have to take the weekend off.  If I were a doctor I would
suggest it..LOL

  I think you'd feel much better after a weekend of..... rest.....

Almarr

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From willowjonbardc at juno.com  Tue Feb  5 13:02:22 2002
From: willowjonbardc at juno.com (willow herbert)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:02:22 -0600
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement Ansteorra historical view
Message-ID: <20020205.150223.-307823.0.willowjonbardc@juno.com>

M'Lord Bruno

I am sure that by the time this gets to you  lots of people have written
you but since I was there as Queen my opinion has a little historical
value. Of course you know my husband , Duke Jonathan, was the first King
to sign light weapon rules into being. Also we were the first Crown to
face this decision. Master Tivar was voted yes by the Laurel for his work
in light weapon and yes by the Pelicans and choice had to be made. Would
Light weapons be permanent put in the category of "arts" or would we
maintain it as a fighting style and keep the door open for a fighting
peerage someday. At that time it was the hope of the light fighters that
it would someday be a fighting peerage and that is why I think  Tivar
chose the Pelican. Today the hope of light weapons ever being a fighting
peerage seems very remote but I do not think we should give up the hope.
As long as Ansteorra keeps the door open there is still hope. One of my
favorite Tao's statement is "most people fail at the verge of success" .
The fact that certain factions are using this ploy to stop the light
weapon movement makes me think we might be closer to the goal of light
weapons fighting being a fighting peerage than we believe.

Duchess Willow de 'wisp

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700 "Bruno" <bruno at armyofdorkness.org>
writes:
> Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested
> to know
> that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands,
> offered Don
> Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and
> Teaching of
> Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.
>
> Bruno
>
>
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From agnarr at quik.com  Wed Feb  6 17:09:39 2002
From: agnarr at quik.com (H.L. Agnarr Thorvaldsson)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Western] Arts and Science Officers
Message-ID: <008601c1af74$1eff4ec0$f12fb0d8@computer>

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Greetings all on the list.

At Bryn Gwlad Candlemas this past weekend I was named the Acting Minister of Arts and Sciences for the Western Region.

To that end I really need to have all the local A&S Officers contact me off list so I can get some information from them (you know just the basic stuff).

Thanks again.

HL Agnarr Thorvaldsson
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From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 17:21:03 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:21:03 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
Message-ID: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>

I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang



From laurie at wheelers.net  Wed Feb  6 20:47:54 2002
From: laurie at wheelers.net (Laurie)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:47:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
In-Reply-To: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <NFBBLHDEMLOIPPGKMAGBGEJBCCAA.laurie@wheelers.net>

Way to go Oriana! You will represent the Western Region well. You always do
such beautiful work!

Lady Aleysia de Eastbourne


-----Original Message-----
From: western-admin at ansteorra.org [mailto:western-admin at ansteorra.org]On
Behalf Of chiang
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:21 PM
To: Western List; Bonwicke
Subject: [Western] Congratulations


I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang

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From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  7 07:36:38 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:36:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] iceaxe and 3 kings photos are up on the web
Message-ID: <20020207153638.37258.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca3

  3 kings pt 3 280-331

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca1

  3 kings pt 1   1-190
  3 kings pt 2    191- 279

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca

  Iceaxe     100-255

With me looking after my lady Lily now living in
San Antonio, being sick she is here in Austin. I
will not get Candlemas up until late this weekend
as I am adding comments to the bottoms of
interesting photos I have taken.

 Please enjoy and if you see pics that should
have or needs correcting please email me at
constable_sca at yahoo.com

In service to the dream we share...

Ld Key Connor

P.s. if Ldy Ashlin or someone in BJ please pass
along the link to the photos as I am not a member
of the yahoo group yet... so much to do and us
little devils can be every where...

++++++++++++++++++


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Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

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From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Fri Feb  8 13:00:14 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:00:14 -0600
Subject: [Western] Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian
Message-ID: <3C643C5E.6FDB45D5@cox-internet.com>

The Honorable Lord Larkin O'Kane sends greetings to the list.

I know it's a bit early yet, but is there any information on where
Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian) will be held this year?

The reason for asking is that Healthy Families San Angelo is having it's
12th Annual Children's Fair on Sunday April 28 at College Hills Park and
the Shire of Trelac will be sponsoring a "Fight-A-Knight" booth. Kids
will have the pleasure of "killing" a "Knight" with a boffer sword and
the "Knights" will have the pleasure of making the kids enjoy it.

Last year the kids really wore the knights to a frazzle (there were only
four of us who fought around 300 kids) so this year I thought to invite
any who would like to come to Trelac after Champions de la Croix and
lend a hand (or a body as it were).

Although the site is as dry as a bone (it is a kids event after all)  I
do have five gallons of mead for the party afterwards.

YIS,
Larkin

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smile because it happened.
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From wildjourne at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 22:13:11 2002
From: wildjourne at yahoo.com (Wildjourne)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:13:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] FYI - Queen's B-Day
Message-ID: <001901c1b2c3$2f89a040$eb449fac@shaft>

Just 8 more days until Queen Brita's birthday...


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From simone at elfsea.net  Mon Feb 11 12:09:13 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:09:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Guardian of the Tor
Message-ID: <00e201c1b338$011d1c30$0501a8c0@camalot>

Greetings Good Gentles all.

The Canton Of Dragonsfire Tor cordially invites you one and all to attend
the 11th  annual Guardian of the Tor, to Be held at The Broken O Ranch in
Glen Rose, Texas the weekend of June 28-30th.

Come enjoy the Hospitality of Dragonsfire Tor, help us to celebrate the love
we have for our kingdom. test your skill against some of the finest talent
in our good kingdom to become one of the next champions of the Tor.

this Glorious weekend a tournament shall be held to discover our new
Chivalric Guardian, Rapier Guardian, and Archery Guardian of the Tor.

Bards of excellent skill and ability shall fill the evening with story poem
and song to Entertain all as they compete for the title of Bard of
Dragonsfire Tor.

Come experience a firsts at Dragonsfire Tor as we Host our first Equestrian
Tourney.

Brewers come share your expertise and skill as The Tor will be hosting a
Brewing Competition.
Cooks please bring your skill and art for a culinary competition to be
Judged at lunch time Saturday

Squires and Cadets please start looking at our new and unattached fighters
for there will be a tourney Sunday for new and unattached fighters. the
entrants of this tourney must be sponsored by a Squire  for the chivalric
tourney and a cadet for the Rapier tourney on Sunday.

There will be a Squires and Cadets Lunch on Saturday so that new and
unattached fighters can meet the Squires and Cadets

Many more activities are planned through out the weekend. more detail will
be announced as we draw closer to the Date of this grand event.

Make plans to attend now to attend this event. Our host at the Broken O have
provided us with 200 Acers of land on the Brazos river  for our use and
enjoyment.

This site is Wet,
Pets welcome with current rabies vaccinations,
Horses welcome they must meet with the requirements set down in the
Equestrian rules in the Participants handbook.
A professionally catered feast provided by the Broken O Ranch more
information on feast reservations to come.
Horses available for rent on site
pony rides and Hay rides will be availed during the event.

Site opens at 5 pm on Friday closes at 6 pm Sunday evening

Volunteers please contact the Autocrat

Autocrat
Lady Simone Maurian ui'Dunlaingh
Margaret Risher
1088 W. Green St. Stephenville, TX 76401
(254) 968-5319 call welcome between 11am and midnight
e-mail simone at elfsea.net

In service
Lady Simone Maurian ui' Dunlaingh
simone at elfsea.net





From masterosario at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 17:39:11 2002
From: masterosario at cox.net (Rosario)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:39:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] Gulf War Land
Message-ID: <002901c1b42f$3d2545c0$7cf00144@dl.cox.net>

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Greetings unto the West.....If you are planning on going to Gulf War, even if you did Pre-register and you want to Camp with the Western Region
Please e-mail me your info......Mundame name....SCA name.....(and Tent size if possible)....You have till FEB.22nd to let me know and to have some sort of area set aside for your camping.

This message does not apply to the folks that have talked to me already via Phone or E-mail or the List I had at Bonwickes 12th night..............


Thank you

Rosario

masterosario at cox.net

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From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Feb 15 10:23:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] War Practice
Message-ID: <003b01c1b64d$d9b158a0$affbf2d0@default>

Please do not forget that I am hosting a War Practice this Sunday at Maxey
Park. This is for anyone that needs the practice that may not be going to
Border Wars.
I would like to get started around 1:30 PM. This will be one of the last
chances for organized practice before Gulf Wars. It does not matter wheather
you plan on going to Gulf or not....we all need the practice<G>.
I will also be doing or taking care of authorizations, if you need them.
There will be not authorizations done at the war, so take care of them now.
Thanks,
HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 15 14:08:31 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Western] Rapier Practice for Gulf War
Message-ID: <F165M0XM7hqfVyR7i8i000185a6@hotmail.com>

This is to one and all rapier fighters in the Western Region.
There will be a regional rapier fighter practice this weekend in Bonwicke.
All rapier fighters who are going to Gulf and who are not going to Gulf need
to be there.
If you are going to Gulf, you need the practice. If you are not going to
Gulf, we need you to practice against. All fighters are needed.
You can help support Ansteorra by helping those who are going. This year we
will be outnumbered, but we can still win this war with practice. So be
there. Ansteorra needs you, don't fail her.
Sunday at 1:30, north east corner of Maxey Park.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 18 14:46:43 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:46:43 -0600
Subject: [Western] Regional Practice
Message-ID: <F1459wHRQaXibm60wcP00010ad2@hotmail.com>

I would like to thank every rapier fighter who showed up for Sunday's rapier
practice. All one of her.

If she could come from the second farthest place in the region, where were
the rest of you?

And you wonder why our numbers are dwindling.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From alasdairmaciain at charter.net  Tue Feb 19 19:22:38 2002
From: alasdairmaciain at charter.net (Alasdair MacIain)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
Message-ID: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>

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Greetings everyone,

I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.

Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.

Later,
Alasdair
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From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 20 19:59:28 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:59:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Greetings
Message-ID: <006501c1ba8c$29a43660$5972c941@oemcomputer>

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I, Yves de Byron of Mendersham, have neglected to get on this list until now. I am the rapier marshall, and chronicler for Mendersham. Have been in for 20 months now. I fight light, and as George has said "look like Radioactiveman" in my green tunic. Was AoAed Jan. at Bonwick's 12th night (the one in the apron going to the crown <G>). This year will be my first Gulf War, hopefully. I have my confirmation of pre-reservation in hand from Rebecca. Attended 11 events last year, and hope to make a few more this year if things go as planned.
                   Have beer - Will Travel                Ld Yves de Byron
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From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 13:13:09 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:13:09 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010409b89b0ec28c56@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching and I come to you
today with news of this grand day. The Barony of Bonwicke has the
honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join us. The list will
be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big Spring, Texas in and
around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty of room for camping,
and hotels in close proximity. The site opens 3:00 pm, Friday, and
closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will be taking letters of
intent from those that wish to fight in the Crown list but they are
not required. Their Majesties have requested that all fighters bring
their Honor Shields so that all may know who is on the field at any
given time and have also requested a grand display of heraldry from
the populace. Bring your banners, bring your shields, help brighten
the field with displays of your heraldry. A popular vote Arts and
Sciences competition will be held in the main hall during the day
Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested but not required.
There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master Rosario and his
talented crew; feast is wet in period containers only, the rest of
the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space is outdoors, please
contact the steward for reservations. The fee for merchants is a
donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 14:05:10 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:05:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament Date
Message-ID: <p0501040cb89b1eb14ab9@[12.5.160.144]>

It might help to know that the date of the spring Crown Tournament is
March 22nd-24th. My thanks to his Lordship Toshiro for catching that
little faux pas.

In service,
Kainin


From chiang at odsy.net  Thu Feb 21 21:05:21 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:05:21 -0600
Subject: [Western] Western Region Fighter
Message-ID: <005701c1bb5e$894365a0$6afaf2d0@default>

    Greetings to the Fighters of the West,
It is just a few short weeks to Gulf Wars. I hope that most of you are
planning on going.
  It is time to get those last minute armor repairs done. If you need any
authorizations, please get in touch with me or an authorizing marshal. There
will not be any done at the War.
  For those of you going there are a couple of things that HG Kein would
like for you to do. He would like for people to have thrusters on their
swords or a stabbing weapon handy. Really good for those times when you can
stab but not swing. If you are using a spear, he would like you to have a
shield hook on it.
  For everyone that is wants to help out in any way, His Grace would also
like to have lots of throwing axes, more commonly called Pork chops.
  We are going to need lots of help this year. We will be most likely out
numbered when we get there. Also I would like to see a bigger turnout than
usual, being as the King and Queen are from the Western Region, we should
show up to support them. We had 29 fighters when HRM Aaron was the Kingdom
Warlord, now that he is King, we can beat that.
   Well I guess that is enough for now<G> See you at the War, I hope.
   Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From kainin at copycraft.com  Fri Feb 22 08:30:28 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:30:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010403b89c1ec52906@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching (March 22nd - 24th)
and I come to you today with news of this grand day. The Barony of
Bonwicke has the honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join
us. The list will be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big
Spring, Texas in and around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty
of room for camping, and hotels in close proximity. The site opens
3:00 pm, Friday, and closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will
be taking letters of intent from those that wish to fight in the
Crown list but they are not required. Their Majesties have requested
that all fighters bring their Honor Shields so that all may know who
is on the field at any given time and have also requested a grand
display of heraldry from the populace. Bring your banners, bring your
shields, help brighten the field with displays of your heraldry. A
popular vote Arts and Sciences competition will be held in the main
hall during the day Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested
but not required. There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master
Rosario and his talented crew; feast is wet in period containers
only, the rest of the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space
is outdoors, please contact the steward for reservations. The fee for
merchants is a donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From whitemage at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 23 18:39:54 2002
From: whitemage at worldnet.att.net (James Hanke)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
References: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>
Message-ID: <3C78527A.AFE1734C@worldnet.att.net>

Greetings to a former member of Mendersham.  Good to hear from you again,  how are things going since we saw each other at Gothic..
Will you becoming to the shire Defender.  I will see you there if you come.

Ld Morgan MacAlpin






Alasdair MacIain wrote:

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> Greetings everyone,
>
> I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.
>
> Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.
>
> Later,
> Alasdair
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From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb 25 12:18:41 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:18:41 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Outlands Costume Collegium
Message-ID: <013f01c1be39$9e7a19e0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

> This announcement has gone out to h-costume, sca-garb, KWCS and the Caer
> Galen list. Please feel free to send it to any relevant lists you may be
> on, including Kingdom lists and Laurels lists. Please BCC:
> editor at costumemag.com when you do, so I can keep track and not nag the
> lists unnecessarily.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Autocrat
>
>
> Greetings costumers,
>
> The people of the Outlands take great pleasure in inviting one and all
> to our fifth Costume Collegium to be held April 6 & 7, 2002 in Trinidad,
Colorado.
>
> Our guest speaker is Robin Netherton, known to many on these lists.
> Robin will present a detailed analysis of the fitted fashion of 14th
> century Western Europe, showing how it evolved from earlier unfitted
> fashions, the various versions and uses of the style, and how it formed
> the basis for the later development of the more structured fashions of
> the 15th and 16th centuries. She will also discuss the extant garments
> from the Herjolfsnes (Greenland) grave site, particularly the oft-cited
> "ten-gore" dress, with a discussion of how the Greenland finds might
> influence our understanding of 14th century European fashion.
>
> Marc Carlson from Tulsa OK, known in the SCA as Diarmaid O'Duinn, will
> present a history of shoemaking, and a short workshop on making the 3
> fingered glove seen in the Luttrell Psalter and other sources.
>
> We are also pleased to have renowned SCA embroiderer Lady Rouge du
> Maurier from Caid (Las Vegas NV), who will present a 2 day workshop on
> metal thread embroidery.
>
> There are many other teachers presenting a wide body of information on
> clothing within the SCA period, and we invite you to go to the web site
> (http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/) for more information.
>
> If any of you wish to share your knowledge and expertise with us in the
> Outlands, please fill in the teacher form on the web site. We will be
> delighted to have you!
>
> Of course there will be merchants. We currently have merchants selling
> trim and metal thread embroidery supplies, jewelry, and books. Merchants
> are warmly invited to email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) to
> reserve a table.
>
> The event will take place in Berg Hall on the campus of Trinidad State
> Junior College. Directions and a map are on the web site.
>
> The site fee covers a light breakfast both days, a box lunch and the
> Saturday evening reception to honor our excellent teachers. Any
> materials fees, and the event proceedings are extra.
>
> Pre-registration using the form on the web site is strongly encouraged.
> We really want to know how much food to prepare!
>
> Trinidad, Colorado is on Interstate 25, just north of the New Mexico
> border. Amtrak goes through town twice daily, and the closest airport is
> Colorado Springs, Colorado.
>
> There are the usual chain motels in town, and links are on the web site.
> Space is available in the TSJC dormitories, as well. Dorm space is $25
> per night single or $20 per person per night double. Couples may stay in
> the double rooms. Bedding is provided, but you must bring your own
> towels. Dorms must be reserved and paid for by March 22, no exceptions.
> Please email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) for reservations.
>
> We eagerly look forward to having you at this event!
http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Outlands
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Feb 26 21:06:33 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>

   Greetings Once Again,
HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
know, so that we can see how we stand.
  Thanks,
   HE Chiang



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 07:15:13 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:15:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>

Spear. Greatsword.

Aaron will be using a shield.

----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From jlusk at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 05:38:02 2002
From: jlusk at crcom.net (Jane Lusk)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:38:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
Message-ID: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>

Greetings unto all of this fair region!

I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
the question on to you good gentles.

In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
come from and what does it mean.

So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?

Many thanks!

Your friend,
Ldy Elewys Luscomb
Crossrode Keep


From jacquelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 05:49:51 2002
From: jacquelight at cableone.net (Jacque)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>

Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just withers
them with a look.  Does that count?

U


----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Feb 27 08:43:41 2002
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Eirik)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:43:41 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
In-Reply-To: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <MABBLJIJFFGDLBELHDPAEEOKCJAA.eirik@hot.rr.com>

You might do better to post this on the Ansteorra list. Someone who was
around when the kingdom was a principality would probably know.

Eirik



From cadmartha at wcc.net  Wed Feb 27 08:37:51 2002
From: cadmartha at wcc.net (Cad & Marthe)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>

It is Saxon and means one star.

Cad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 09:52:16 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:52:16 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>

Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?

Larkin

Joe Light wrote:
>
> Spear. Greatsword.
>
> Aaron will be using a shield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

--
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smile because it happened.
--


From m_geisendorff at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 10:47:05 2002
From: m_geisendorff at yahoo.com (TRM Aaron and Britta)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
In-Reply-To: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <20020227184705.91530.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>

*ROFL*  I think he means his son Aaron. And you
should see him use it to shield punch... Deadly!
:)

HRM Aaron

--- Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane
<larkinokane at cox-internet.com> wrote:
> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a
> shield?
>
> Larkin
>
> Joe Light wrote:
> >
> > Spear. Greatsword.
> >
> > Aaron will be using a shield.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> > To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> > Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >
> > >    Greetings Once Again,
> > > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me
> to try and get an
> > accounting
> > > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what
> they will be fighting with.
> > > Some of you have replied to me before, others
> have not. I really do need
> > to
> > > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> > >   Thanks,
> > >    HE Chiang
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Western mailing list
> > > Western at ansteorra.org
> > >
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> --
> Don't cry because it's over;
> smile because it happened.
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western


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From jasper1420 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:56:56 2002
From: jasper1420 at hotmail.com (Kevin W)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>

Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites. Glaive,
spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but he
might also be in my war party.

Jas


>From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
>Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
>To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
>
>    Greetings Once Again,
>HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
>of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
>Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
>know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
>_______________________________________________
>Western mailing list
>Western at ansteorra.org
>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western




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From simone at elfsea.net  Wed Feb 27 15:00:54 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net> <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>
Message-ID: <00a501c1bfe2$9d297ae0$0501a8c0@camalot>

The meaning of the word Ansteorra is a good question. One Which HE Galen of
Bristol answered for me when I asked a few years ago. below is the gist of
the story he told.

Ansteorra is Saxon for one star but not any star. it comes from a reference
made by a Saxon Monk writing about a comet that had appeared in the heavens.
It was one of the times Hailey's comet had passed  close enough to the earth
to be seen by the naked eye in the middle ages. (NOTE. at that time the
comet was unnamed and people did not know what it was)

Of that comet the Saxon monk referred to it as being the "Ansteorra that one
star Singular and Unique in the heavens".

it is from the same description of Hailey's comet that our kingdom  derives
it's Motto Uniques et Singularus  which translates to Singular and Unique.

Lady Simone ui Dunlaingh


> > Greetings unto all of this fair region!
> >
> > I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> > the question on to you good gentles.
> >
> > In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> > Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> > the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> > come from and what does it mean.
> >
> > So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> > names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > Your friend,
> > Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> > Crossrode Keep
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 15:54:44 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>

Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.

> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
>
> Larkin
>




From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb 27 15:22:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:22:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfe5$9d7b3d00$64faf2d0@default>

Only if they are going to Gulf Wars, but it does sound like the makings of a
great tavern brawl. Which makes one think.......hhhhmmmm...<G>
HE C......would that be heck?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacque" <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:38:05 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:38:05 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>

I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
that. <G>     Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: chiang <chiang at odsy.net>
To: Western List <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:40:08 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:40:08 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <004201c1bfe8$21794c80$4072c941@oemcomputer>

Yes, it counts very well in my book. <BG>       Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacque <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From grlgeorg at nts-online.net  Wed Feb 27 16:20:46 2002
From: grlgeorg at nts-online.net (george~)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:20:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>



: I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
: that. <G>     Byron
:


Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??


:-p

george



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 16:57:10 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:57:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com> <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D8066.BB36B5B8@cox-internet.com>

And his job is to shield his dad? Way to go...


Joe Light wrote:
>
> Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.
>
> > Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
> >
> > Larkin
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

--
Don't cry because it's over;
smile because it happened.
--


From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 19:47:51 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:47:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer> <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>
Message-ID: <000b01c1c00a$b31e5500$2071c941@oemcomputer>

mmmmmmm...... maybe.       <G>           Byron
----- Original Message -----
From: george~ <grlgeorg at nts-online.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>
>
>
> : I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you
know
> : that. <G>     Byron
> :
>
>
> Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??
>
>
> :-p
>
> george
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Western at ansteorra.org
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From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:46:46 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <008901c1c00b$c3f3e9c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Loosely translated it means "single star" I believe.  I don't know the
language (Gailec maybe), but it was selected because of it's similarity to
"Lone Star."

That's all I know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:49:18 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:49:18 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c1c00b$c50077c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Culen is coming as well, and I believe he will be using sword and board and
possibly doing combat archery.  I'm not sure but will ask him next time I
see him. and if I'm wrong I will let you know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin W" <jasper1420 at hotmail.com>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites.
Glaive,
> spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
> fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but
he
> might also be in my war party.
>
> Jas
>
>
> >From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
> >Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
> >To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
> >
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> >HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> >of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> >Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> >know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Western at ansteorra.org
> >http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
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>



From eawspears at nts-online.net  Sat Feb  2 21:57:02 2002
From: eawspears at nts-online.net (Elizabeth Spears)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:57:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] Bards & Arts
References: <000501c1aaae$d9d30040$6584a7d8@grlgeorg> <000e01c1aab8$d7973580$382432cf@tcac.net>
Message-ID: <000701c1ac77$9b289ba0$8283a7d8@preferrc>

Thanks for a great day of learning and teaching.  Loved the basket weaving.
Thanks to all the imput and intrest in the documentation class.

Hl Niccola Visconti


----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda <aerin at tcac.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Bards & Arts


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Greetings! There should be a list up in a few days on our shire website.
In
> the mean time I will put up a tenative list here. I do not have an actual
> schedule made up yet but there will be one by Saturday! See you there!
>
> Aerin
> Teacher Co-ordinator for Bards & Arts VI
>
>       Class Name
>      Teacher
>      Length
>      Limit
>      Fee
>
>       Basket Weaving
>      Mistress Kalida
>      4 hours
>      6
>      $5.00
>
>       Inkleloom Weaving
>      Honorable Lady Saqura
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Button Making
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Square Neck Chemise
>      Lady Kate
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Heraldry
>      Lord Rufus Guthrie
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Seneschal Class
>      Mistress Ulrica
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Redwork Embroidery
>      HL Augustina
>      1 hour
>      none
>      $3.00
>
>       Bead Class
>      HL Adelaide
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Exchequers Class
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      2 hours
>      none
>      none
>
>       Documention
>      Honorable Lady Niccola
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Calligraphy
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>       Period Pigment Paints
>      Lady Margaret
>      1 hour
>      none
>      none
>
>
>
>
>       Is there a list of classes somewhere?
>   tanx...
>
>   george~
>   drum for your soul
>
>   _______________________________________________
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>   Western at ansteorra.org
>   http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> --
>
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>



From DAFPIG at aol.com  Mon Feb  4 11:45:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:45:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Need Guantlets??? Come to BLAT
Message-ID: <178.3145055.29903eef@aol.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
 Desperately in need of a new pair of gauntlets?  Tired of your heavy rusted
steel pair?  WELL, You need to come to Brad Leah's Ansteorrean Tribute then!!


We have a lovely pair of black kydex(sp) Gauntlets just waiting to be used in
our Silent Auction!!!  This highest bidder will walk away with this pair of
nifty gauntlets just in time for Gulf Wars!  AND all the proceeds for the
Silent Auction goes to the Kingdom.  You can't beat that!!  Win a new pair of
gauntlets and help your kingdom in one bid.

There are many other spectacular items just waiting to go home with you in
our Auction.  Come and bid on them.  For more information on this upcoming
FREE Event.. please go to our home page.

Thanks and we'll see you there!
<A HREF="http://bradleah.ansteorra.org/">Click here: The Shire of Brad Leah</A>


From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  4 17:13:47 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Thanks to Sir Gideon Houshold and SCA friends
In-Reply-To: <3C5EDB9D.3090907@ig.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <20020205011347.30846.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

  Pictures of the event with TRM being the first
of the set of 170 will be done by Thursday and
the link posted here and the Ansteorrian
announcement-list. New additions to many of my
photos are comments at the bottom of some pics as
to whom and what is being done, this takes time,
I am starting to get an idea of what a full time
photographer must go through..

  For those interested in the pics of last-last
weeks Iceaxe they will be up wed' night.

  And thanks to Raven (new MOC to Middleford, I
think?) and Genevieve (as it was only her second
event Iceaxe being her first),  Many thanks..

P.s. Everyone who attended, helped or just made a
presents of atmosphere,
Thanks for making a very nice memory

Key Connor

Watch your eye, here comes the flash...

+++++++++++++++++

--- "Sean P. S. Gulick" <sean at ig.utexas.edu>
wrote:
> Thank you Claire.  I, in turn, would like to
> thank those who helped me
> man the ticket selling and helped with the
> execution of James of Severn.
>  The ones that come to mind immediately are
> Raven, Genevieve (both from
> Tempio)

SNIP......


=====
Clan Macleod
Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
http://auctions.yahoo.com


From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Mon Feb  4 20:29:04 2002
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (vscribe)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
Message-ID: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>

Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

??? Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships.? The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis.? Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected.? For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

??? Most cordially,

??? Andrew Smith
??? Andrew of Riga
??? Secretary, SCA Inc.
?

Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA?s membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation?s primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001?? % chg
Number of Members 23,814? 23,832? 23,802? 24,400? 24,988? + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue?? $145,932 $104,462 $94,277? $98,606? $87,741? - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001? % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries? $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996? $44,566? $46,625? $37,176? $42,822? + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230? $1,644? $2,625? $841? $355? - 92%
Officer expenses? $18,610? $9,717? $12,195? $10,671? $13,747? - 26%
Other Expenses?? $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264? ($1,212)

2001?s final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society?s immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made ?
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member?s own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) ?
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) ? available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal?s report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal?s
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 ? A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting ?pay to play?. We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member?s share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. ?Unbundling?
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors
?

Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at sca.org or reply to this message.
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From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:12:13 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement
References: <20020205024401.11905.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c1ae03$acb59200$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested to know
that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands, offered Don
Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and Teaching of
Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.

Bruno




From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb  4 21:16:36 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Letter from the Board
Message-ID: <002101c1ae04$49b0a4a0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>I have been asked to post this letter from the Board of Directors to as
>many places as I can and encourage, plead and beg for commentary.  The
>chart part comes across slightly skewed by my e-mail program so if you want
>the original, I can send it as an attachment to individuals.  Please send
>your comments, pro and con.  The Board does not want to work in a vacumn,
>but if they only get 5 comments, they have to do what they think is
>best.  Also don't just write if you don't like something, write that you
>like something as well.  If all the comments are negative (because you
>people who like something don't bother to write), then you won't be happy
>when the changes aren't made the way you want.
>
>Please post this  to any other lists.  Print it out for those who don't
>have internet access.  Discuss it at your local meetings.
>
>Read and send you comments,
>Countess Megan
>Kingdom of the West Seneschal
>
>
>Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
>the Board of Directors:
>We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
>membership rate increase for the SCA.
>The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
>intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
>Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
>expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance costs
>will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production was raised
>14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in revenue; the postage
>portion of the stipend has been increased several times in response to
>increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are intended to cover the
>costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple newsletter, produced
>largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire a fancier or larger
>publication, or want to have the binding done professionally, need to raise
>funds to cover the increased costs of those improvements.) The Directors
>and officers have done their best to hold down the expenses they can
>directly control, often by donating the expenses involved in performing
>their duties, but that is a small percentage of the budget, and of course
>items like those mentioned above are to a large degree outside of our
>control. Membership numbers have not kept pace with these increases in
>costs, especially sustaining memberships, as can be seen from the fact
>that, while membership numbers are up, membership revenue is down.
>Membership fees are the Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number
>of paid members of the Society has remained fairly constant over the past
>several years. It is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and
>expenses increase, the financial picture is not good. Following is a
>summary of revenue and expenses for the past five years (all figures below
>rounded to nearest dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
>REVENUE         1997            1998            1999            2000
>      2001            % chg
>Number of
>Members       23,814          23,832          23,802          24,400
>    24,988          + 5%
>(includes all membership categories; annual average)
>Membership
>Revenue      $790,246        $621,768        $744,279        $761,633
>   $750,701        - 5%
>Other
>revenue           $145,932        $104,462        $94,277         $98,606
>        $87,741         - 40%
>(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
>revenue)
>TOTAL
>REVENUE   $936,178        $726,230        $838,556        $860,240
>$838,442        - 10%
>
>EXPENSES                1997            1998            1999
>2000            2001            % chg
>Kingdom
>Newsletters     $187,409        $189,421        $213,750        $209,789
>      $198,985        + 6%
>Staff
>Salaries          $172,693        $194,087        $219,253        $201,695
>        $221,680        + 28%
>(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
>Corp Office
>Expenses    $143,437        $115,817        $141,355        $134,165
>$155,835        + 9%
>Meetings/conferences    $36,996         $44,566         $46,625
>$37,176         $42,822         + 10%
>Board member
>expenses   $4,230          $1,644          $2,625          $841
>$355            - 92%
>Officer
>expenses                $18,610         $9,717          $12,195
>$10,671         $13,747         - 26%
>Other
>Expenses          $267,794        $265,971        $255,808        $257,638
>        $206,230        - 23%
>(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
>publications, and capital expenditures)
>TOTAL
>EXPENSES  $831,168        $812,222        $891,611        $851,976
>$839,654        + 1%
>
>NET
>INCOME(LOSS)        $105,010        ($85,992)       ($53,055)       $8,264
>          ($1,212)
>
>2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
>one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the donor
>for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002 budget
>projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget shortfalls
>over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency situation. At
>present there is enough money to cover our subscription liability and the
>Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the future, clearly that
>situation will not continue forever. The Board is strongly of the opinion
>that an adjustment is needed to cover increases in operating expenses that
>will inevitably occur in the coming years. It is our feeling that a single
>increase designed to last several years is preferable to smaller, more
>frequent increases, though we are open to argument on that point.
>As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
>corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that end,
>the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge (NMS),
>which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that reserve
>was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating reserve, which
>was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls at the Corporate
>level for some years now. It would not be financially prudent to spend all
>of the operating reserve with no plan to replace those funds.
>We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to increase
>revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We realize that these
>suggestions are by no means the only options available. Please send us your
>comments on these options and your alternative suggestions. The Board is
>seeking a consensus from the membership on how to proceed. At present no
>decisions have been made  except that something must be done. We request
>and highly encourage your suggestions and assistance. Note that
>International memberships are not specifically addressed here. Those rates
>may need to increase proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
>OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
>Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
>newsletter.
>Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year)  available
>only to immediate family members of a Basic member
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
>Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters and
>Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st
>class
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>OPTION 2 - all publications optional
>Basic membership: $25/year
>Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year)  available only to
>immediate family members of a Basic member
>Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
>(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald and
>Ealdormere available 1st class only).
>Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
>Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
>meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)
>
>Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
>meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
>subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
>report would be dropped.
>Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
>reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
>OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
>Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
>they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by $5
>to $10.
>
>OPTION 4  A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.
>We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
>suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become paid
>members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share the
>costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.
>
>OTHER OPTIONS
>Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the Non-Member
>Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each event to go to
>the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other possibilities that
>have not yet been brought to the table.
>
>Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling" the
>publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of memberships are
>undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be other answers. Nothing
>will be done until after input from the members and Kingdoms is received
>and carefully considered. The membership will be kept informed on the
>status of this endeavor.
>Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
>Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>PO Box 360789
>Milpitas CA 95036-0789
>
>Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
>Sincerely yours,
>The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


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From vallust at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  5 08:32:42 2002
From: vallust at earthlink.net (ronportwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:32:42 -0600
Subject: [Western] FW:  Membership Restructure Proposals
References: <001201c1adfd$a53ffd90$2002a8c0@dan>
Message-ID: <002101c1ae62$bcdccea0$936bca43@pavilion>

Everyone needs to read this and respond comments at sca.org! It's your game
folks
----- Original Message -----
From: "vscribe" <vscribe at ansteorra.org>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: [Western] FW: Membership Restructure Proposals



Greetings

The following has appeared on several e-mail lists. It is also avialabe
on the sca.org website at:

http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/membershiprestructure.html

Selwyn


-----Original Message-----
From: spiders-admin at sca.org [mailto:spiders-admin at sca.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Smith
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:38 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [SPIDERS] [Announcements] Membership Restructure Proposals

Greetings Subscribers of announcements at sca.org.

Below is a letter to the membership regarding various proposals for
restructuring memberships. The officers and the Board of Directors is
extremely interested in your comments and analysis. Please feel free to
contact them at comments at sca.org.

Important note -- because this is an email, the formatting of the
columns of numbers may have been effected. For a clearer picture,
please see the sca.org website -- if it is not there as of this writing,
it will be soon.

Most cordially,

Andrew Smith
Andrew of Riga
Secretary, SCA Inc.


Greetings to the Membership of the Society for Creative Anachronism from
the Board of Directors:
We come before you for consultation concerning the issue of a possible
membership rate increase for the SCA.
The SCA's membership rates have not changed since 1994. During the
intervening years, many of the costs associated with operations of the
Society have increased. For example, rents, printing, postage, and paper
expenses are up, and this trend is likely to continue. Our insurance
costs will rise by 17% in 2002. The stipend for newsletter production
was raised 14% three years ago with no corresponding increase in
revenue; the postage portion of the stipend has been increased several
times in response to increases in postage rates. (Note that stipends are
intended to cover the costs of producing and mailing a two-ounce, simple
newsletter, produced largely with volunteer labor. Kingdoms that desire
a fancier or larger publication, or want to have the binding done
professionally, need to raise funds to cover the increased costs of
those improvements.) The Directors and officers have done their best to
hold down the expenses they can directly control, often by donating the
expenses involved in performing their duties, but that is a small
percentage of the budget, and of course items like those mentioned above
are to a large degree outside of our control. Membership numbers have
not kept pace with these increases in costs, especially sustaining
memberships, as can be seen from the fact that, while membership numbers
are up, membership revenue is down. Membership fees are the
Corporation's primary source of revenue. The number of paid members of
the Society has remained fairly constant over the past several years. It
is easy to see that when revenue remains constant and expenses increase,
the financial picture is not good. Following is a summary of revenue and
expenses for the past five years (all figures below rounded to nearest
dollar; % change compares 1997 to 2001):
REVENUE 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Number of Members 23,814 23,832 23,802 24,400 24,988 + 5%
(includes all membership categories; annual average)
Membership Revenue $790,246 $621,768 $744,279 $761,633 $750,701 - 5%
Other revenue $145,932 $104,462 $94,277 $98,606 $87,741 - 40%
(includes Stock Clerk income, interest and dividends, TI advertising
revenue)
TOTAL REVENUE $936,178 $726,230 $838,556 $860,240 $838,442 - 10%

EXPENSES 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 % chg
Kingdom Newsletters $187,409 $189,421 $213,750 $209,789 $198,985 + 6%
Staff Salaries $172,693 $194,087 $219,253 $201,695 $221,680 + 28%
(includes cost of benefits and payroll taxes)
Corp Office Expenses $143,437 $115,817 $141,355 $134,165 $155,835 + 9%
Meetings/conferences $36,996 $44,566 $46,625 $37,176 $42,822 + 10%
Board member expenses $4,230 $1,644 $2,625 $841 $355 - 92%
Officer expenses $18,610 $9,717 $12,195 $10,671 $13,747 - 26%
Other Expenses $267,794 $265,971 $255,808 $257,638 $206,230 - 23%
(includes stock clerk costs, insurance, professional services, other
publications, and capital expenditures)
TOTAL EXPENSES $831,168 $812,222 $891,611 $851,976 $839,654 + 1%

NET INCOME(LOSS) $105,010 ($85,992) ($53,055) $8,264 ($1,212)

2001's final revenue figures are skewed because of a very generous,
one-time, unbudgeted donation of $40,000, which was earmarked by the
donor for a specific purpose (so it is not general revenue). The 2002
budget projects a loss of approximately $66,000. Despite the budget
shortfalls over three of the past five years, this is not an emergency
situation. At present there is enough money to cover our subscription
liability and the Society's immediate expenses. But, looking into the
future, clearly that situation will not continue forever. The Board is
strongly of the opinion that an adjustment is needed to cover increases
in operating expenses that will inevitably occur in the coming years. It
is our feeling that a single increase designed to last several years is
preferable to smaller, more frequent increases, though we are open to
argument on that point.
As Directors, we have a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that the
corporation has resources adequate to continue its operations. To that
end, the Board of several years ago instituted the Non-Member Surcharge
(NMS), which allowed the accumulation of an operating reserve. Once that
reserve was established, the Board repealed the NMS. That operating
reserve, which was fueled by the NMS, has been funding budget shortfalls
at the Corporate level for some years now. It would not be financially
prudent to spend all of the operating reserve with no plan to replace
those funds.
We ask that members consider the following suggestions on how to
increase revenues so that expenses can be met into the future. We
realize that these suggestions are by no means the only options
available. Please send us your comments on these options and your
alternative suggestions. The Board is seeking a consensus from the
membership on how to proceed. At present no decisions have been made -
except that something must be done. We request and highly encourage your
suggestions and assistance. Note that International memberships are not
specifically addressed here. Those rates may need to increase
proportionately to any other rate increases that occur.
OPTION 1 - Tournaments Illuminated optional
Basic Membership: $35/year 3rd class; $42/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only). Includes member's own Kingdom
newsletter.
Dependent membership: $15/year (with a family cap of $70/year) -
available only to immediate family members of a Basic member
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year.
Additional publications, including any additional Kingdom newsletters
and Compleat Anachronist (per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year
1st class
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

OPTION 2 - all publications optional
Basic membership: $25/year
Dependent membership: $15/year (family cap of $60/year) - available only
to immediate family members of a Basic member
Publications, including all kingdom newsletters and Compleat Anachronist
(per publication): $10/year 3rd class; $17/year 1st class (Drachenwald
and Ealdormere available 1st class only).
Tournaments Illuminated: $10/year
Board Proceedings: $17/year (available 1st class only; includes Board
meeting minutes and Society Seneschal's report)

Alternate option for Board proceedings in both Options 1 and 2: Board
meeting minutes posted to the SCA web site. In this case the option to
subscribe to the Proceedings would be dropped. The Society Seneschal's
report would be dropped.
Under either of the above options the membership categories would be
reduced to two: Basic and Dependent (aka Family).
OPTION 3 - A general increase in the price of membership.
Membership categories and included publications would remain the same as
they are today. The price of each type of membership would increase by
$5 to $10.

OPTION 4 - A significant increase in the number of paid Society members.

We are NOT suggesting "pay to play". We would be very interested in
suggestions for ways to encourage more of our participants to become
paid members of the Society. Obviously, with more paid members to share
the costs, each member's share of those costs is reduced.

OTHER OPTIONS
Other options that have been discussed include reinstating the
Non-Member Surcharge, or designating a percentage of the gate from each
event to go to the Corporation. Undoubtedly there are many, many other
possibilities that have not yet been brought to the table.

Again, the Board asks for your comments and suggestions. "Unbundling"
the publications from membership and/or increasing the cost of
memberships are undoubtedly not the only options. There may well be
other answers. Nothing will be done until after input from the members
and Kingdoms is received and carefully considered. The membership will
be kept informed on the status of this endeavor.
Please send your comments no later than June 15, 2002 to:
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
PO Box 360789
Milpitas CA 95036-0789

Or electronically to: comments at sca.org
Sincerely yours,
The SCA, Inc. Board of Directors


Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to:
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at sca.org or reply to this message.
_______________________________________________
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http://sca.org/mailman/listinfo/announcements
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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Feb  6 05:58:51 2002
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:58:51 EST
Subject: [Western] Classes at Blat
Message-ID: <3f.61e6d61.2992909b@aol.com>

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Greetings,

For those of you who don't fight.. here is a list of classes to tempt you to
attend Blat.


Table One

9am-10am  Women in the Middle Ages  by Jacqueline

10am-11am  Feastocrating 101  by Lord Hans

11am-12am  FIMO beads by Lady Helen

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Hair Plaiting by Lady Kathleen

2pm-3pm  How to be a Chronicler by Lady Bianca


Table Two

9am-10am  Packing the Right Stuff   by HE Adria

10am-11am  Making Bruise Ointment by Lady Elaine

11am-12am  Perfume Making (or brewing)  by Valariee

LUNCH

1pm-2pm  Basic Armoring  by Pedr

2pm-3pm  Surviving MOC Activities  by Lord Thorwald the Bald and Lady
Angelina


All day activities:

Scribal Table  by Lady Melody

Sewing Q&A  by Lady Helen


To Be Announced

Arrow Making by Countess Octavia

Reeve Class by Lady Gilyan




From rstarkey at camalott.com  Wed Feb  6 10:08:13 2002
From: rstarkey at camalott.com (rstarkey)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fw:      FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
Message-ID: <001801c1af39$4af5bd60$f170c941@default>

FYI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "gc_moderator" <gc_moderator at drakkar.org>
To: <SCAGC-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey


> * Forwarded (from: strmsg) by David Calafrancesco using timEd/2 1.10.y2k.
> From: "brogoose" <brogoose at msn.com>
> Subject: FWD: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
>
> The following just hit the Caidan List, and was forwarded from the Rialto.
> I post it for your information without permission nor comment.  Edwin
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Electronic Distribution of SCA Publications - A Survey
> Date: 4 Feb 2002 11:49:26 -0800
> From: mcnutt at pobox.com (Bill McNutt)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>
> I have opened an electronic survey to get a rough count of Paid Members
(tm)
> of the SCA who would be willing or unwilling to take TI and the Kingdom
> Newsletters in electronic format to reduce production and distribution
costs
> and perhaps lower the financial problems the national organization has
> recently advertised.
>
> My first response to the recent Request for Comments (RPC) from the SCA
> Board of Directors was to wonder what cost cost cutting measures might be
> available.  Being a technologist by nature, my first thought was that it
is
> possible to distribute large, complicated, and graphically rich
> documents in a fairly simple, inexpensive manner, using the free Acrobat
> File Reader
> by Adobe.  With that in mind, I have opened this simple survey to get a
> rough count of folks in the SCA who might be willing to cut postal and
> production costs for our newsletters by accepting them via electronic
> distribution and printing them themselves, or keeping them in electronic
> form.  Right now I don't know how long the BoD is going to wait for
comment,
> so I'll presume the window is short, and ask you to fill out this survey
by
> 2/22/2002.
>
> I encourage you to cross-post this announcement to any newletters or
> newgroups that might find it relevant.
>
> The URL for the survey is located at
> http://www.outreach.utk.edu/McNutt/SCA/digitalscapublications.htm
>
> Thank You,
> THL William McNaughton - Loose Cannon
> Thor's Mountain, Meridies
> Disclaimer
>
> This is not an authorized publication by anybody for any particular
reason,
> except me.  My Barony, Kingdom, and the SCA haven't authorized me to take
> this survey, or asked me to do it.  In fact, one or more of them will
> probably jack-slap me in a public forum for being a Loose Cannon.  So
> don't hold them responsible for not responding if the survey doesn't tell
> them what they want to hear, or for any spelling errors or procedural
> failures.
>
>
>
> ---
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> |
> | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 11:57:54 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:57:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <008801c1af48$928b66c0$8ffaf2d0@default>

  Coming up weekend after this one, that is Feb 15-17, Lindenwood is
sponsoring an event called Border Wars. It will be one of the last chances
for actual melee experience before Gulf. I would suggest to anyone that can
go, to go. Tell them I sent you<G>. It should be a fun time for everyone.
  Unfortunately, I can not go, work calls again. I will envy those that get
to go.
  For those that can not go either, I will have a war practice at Maxey
Park, in Bonwicke, our regular Sunday site.
 Valentine's Day will be over and you will not have an excuse. I know that I
could use the practice, what about you? Would really like to see eveyone
that can not go to Border Wars to come to Bonwicke to help out. Weather
permitting we can start just after lunch about 1:30. I will even sponsor a
tourney for those that show. I am sure that I have something worth giving
away, laying around here somewhere.
  So if you can go to Border Wars, I would suggest you go. If not then come
to Bonwicke.
  Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord




From bjarnklo at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  6 12:07:59 2002
From: bjarnklo at hotmail.com (Centurion Almarr Bjarnklö)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:07:59 -0600
Subject: [Western] Re: Border Wars and War Practice
Message-ID: <F34buPViCvd6CobgZuI00012253@hotmail.com>

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Chaing,

  Brother, you do not look or sound very well.  I think you are getting very
sick and will have to take the weekend off.  If I were a doctor I would
suggest it..LOL

  I think you'd feel much better after a weekend of..... rest.....

Almarr

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From willowjonbardc at juno.com  Tue Feb  5 13:02:22 2002
From: willowjonbardc at juno.com (willow herbert)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:02:22 -0600
Subject: [Western] Interesting Outlands Laurel Announcement Ansteorra historical view
Message-ID: <20020205.150223.-307823.0.willowjonbardc@juno.com>

M'Lord Bruno

I am sure that by the time this gets to you  lots of people have written
you but since I was there as Queen my opinion has a little historical
value. Of course you know my husband , Duke Jonathan, was the first King
to sign light weapon rules into being. Also we were the first Crown to
face this decision. Master Tivar was voted yes by the Laurel for his work
in light weapon and yes by the Pelicans and choice had to be made. Would
Light weapons be permanent put in the category of "arts" or would we
maintain it as a fighting style and keep the door open for a fighting
peerage someday. At that time it was the hope of the light fighters that
it would someday be a fighting peerage and that is why I think  Tivar
chose the Pelican. Today the hope of light weapons ever being a fighting
peerage seems very remote but I do not think we should give up the hope.
As long as Ansteorra keeps the door open there is still hope. One of my
favorite Tao's statement is "most people fail at the verge of success" .
The fact that certain factions are using this ploy to stop the light
weapon movement makes me think we might be closer to the goal of light
weapons fighting being a fighting peerage than we believe.

Duchess Willow de 'wisp

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:12:13 -0700 "Bruno" <bruno at armyofdorkness.org>
writes:
> Don't know if anyone here fights light, but you might be interested
> to know
> that at Candlemas this last weekend, Their Majesties Outlands,
> offered Don
> Ian of Nightshade entrance into the Laurel for the Research and
> Teaching of
> Period Fencing.  An earth shattering precedence.
>
> Bruno
>
>
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From agnarr at quik.com  Wed Feb  6 17:09:39 2002
From: agnarr at quik.com (H.L. Agnarr Thorvaldsson)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Western] Arts and Science Officers
Message-ID: <008601c1af74$1eff4ec0$f12fb0d8@computer>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Greetings all on the list.

At Bryn Gwlad Candlemas this past weekend I was named the Acting Minister of Arts and Sciences for the Western Region.

To that end I really need to have all the local A&S Officers contact me off list so I can get some information from them (you know just the basic stuff).

Thanks again.

HL Agnarr Thorvaldsson
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From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb  6 17:21:03 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:21:03 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
Message-ID: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>

I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang



From laurie at wheelers.net  Wed Feb  6 20:47:54 2002
From: laurie at wheelers.net (Laurie)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:47:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Congratulations
In-Reply-To: <002201c1af75$ec57dc60$3afbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <NFBBLHDEMLOIPPGKMAGBGEJBCCAA.laurie@wheelers.net>

Way to go Oriana! You will represent the Western Region well. You always do
such beautiful work!

Lady Aleysia de Eastbourne


-----Original Message-----
From: western-admin at ansteorra.org [mailto:western-admin at ansteorra.org]On
Behalf Of chiang
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:21 PM
To: Western List; Bonwicke
Subject: [Western] Congratulations


I have not seen it mentioned on any local email list. I would like to take a
minute or two to congratulate our own Oriana for being chosen to represent
the Kingdom, and the Region at Gulf wars,
Very well done and most deserved I think.
HE Chiang

_______________________________________________
Western mailing list
Western at ansteorra.org
http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From constable_sca at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  7 07:36:38 2002
From: constable_sca at yahoo.com (key connor)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:36:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] iceaxe and 3 kings photos are up on the web
Message-ID: <20020207153638.37258.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com>

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca3

  3 kings pt 3 280-331

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca1

  3 kings pt 1   1-190
  3 kings pt 2    191- 279

http://photos.yahoo.com/constable_sca

  Iceaxe     100-255

With me looking after my lady Lily now living in
San Antonio, being sick she is here in Austin. I
will not get Candlemas up until late this weekend
as I am adding comments to the bottoms of
interesting photos I have taken.

 Please enjoy and if you see pics that should
have or needs correcting please email me at
constable_sca at yahoo.com

In service to the dream we share...

Ld Key Connor

P.s. if Ldy Ashlin or someone in BJ please pass
along the link to the photos as I am not a member
of the yahoo group yet... so much to do and us
little devils can be every where...

++++++++++++++++++


=====
Clan Macleod
Protege to Mistress Mirrim
Man at Arms to the Amazon household
Constable of Bryn Gwlad
Member of the Baronial Guard
and The New Auld Alliance

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From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Fri Feb  8 13:00:14 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:00:14 -0600
Subject: [Western] Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian
Message-ID: <3C643C5E.6FDB45D5@cox-internet.com>

The Honorable Lord Larkin O'Kane sends greetings to the list.

I know it's a bit early yet, but is there any information on where
Champions de la Croix (formerly Octavian) will be held this year?

The reason for asking is that Healthy Families San Angelo is having it's
12th Annual Children's Fair on Sunday April 28 at College Hills Park and
the Shire of Trelac will be sponsoring a "Fight-A-Knight" booth. Kids
will have the pleasure of "killing" a "Knight" with a boffer sword and
the "Knights" will have the pleasure of making the kids enjoy it.

Last year the kids really wore the knights to a frazzle (there were only
four of us who fought around 300 kids) so this year I thought to invite
any who would like to come to Trelac after Champions de la Croix and
lend a hand (or a body as it were).

Although the site is as dry as a bone (it is a kids event after all)  I
do have five gallons of mead for the party afterwards.

YIS,
Larkin

--
Don't cry because it's over;
smile because it happened.
--


From wildjourne at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 10 22:13:11 2002
From: wildjourne at yahoo.com (Wildjourne)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:13:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] FYI - Queen's B-Day
Message-ID: <001901c1b2c3$2f89a040$eb449fac@shaft>

Just 8 more days until Queen Brita's birthday...


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From simone at elfsea.net  Mon Feb 11 12:09:13 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:09:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Guardian of the Tor
Message-ID: <00e201c1b338$011d1c30$0501a8c0@camalot>

Greetings Good Gentles all.

The Canton Of Dragonsfire Tor cordially invites you one and all to attend
the 11th  annual Guardian of the Tor, to Be held at The Broken O Ranch in
Glen Rose, Texas the weekend of June 28-30th.

Come enjoy the Hospitality of Dragonsfire Tor, help us to celebrate the love
we have for our kingdom. test your skill against some of the finest talent
in our good kingdom to become one of the next champions of the Tor.

this Glorious weekend a tournament shall be held to discover our new
Chivalric Guardian, Rapier Guardian, and Archery Guardian of the Tor.

Bards of excellent skill and ability shall fill the evening with story poem
and song to Entertain all as they compete for the title of Bard of
Dragonsfire Tor.

Come experience a firsts at Dragonsfire Tor as we Host our first Equestrian
Tourney.

Brewers come share your expertise and skill as The Tor will be hosting a
Brewing Competition.
Cooks please bring your skill and art for a culinary competition to be
Judged at lunch time Saturday

Squires and Cadets please start looking at our new and unattached fighters
for there will be a tourney Sunday for new and unattached fighters. the
entrants of this tourney must be sponsored by a Squire  for the chivalric
tourney and a cadet for the Rapier tourney on Sunday.

There will be a Squires and Cadets Lunch on Saturday so that new and
unattached fighters can meet the Squires and Cadets

Many more activities are planned through out the weekend. more detail will
be announced as we draw closer to the Date of this grand event.

Make plans to attend now to attend this event. Our host at the Broken O have
provided us with 200 Acers of land on the Brazos river  for our use and
enjoyment.

This site is Wet,
Pets welcome with current rabies vaccinations,
Horses welcome they must meet with the requirements set down in the
Equestrian rules in the Participants handbook.
A professionally catered feast provided by the Broken O Ranch more
information on feast reservations to come.
Horses available for rent on site
pony rides and Hay rides will be availed during the event.

Site opens at 5 pm on Friday closes at 6 pm Sunday evening

Volunteers please contact the Autocrat

Autocrat
Lady Simone Maurian ui'Dunlaingh
Margaret Risher
1088 W. Green St. Stephenville, TX 76401
(254) 968-5319 call welcome between 11am and midnight
e-mail simone at elfsea.net

In service
Lady Simone Maurian ui' Dunlaingh
simone at elfsea.net





From masterosario at cox.net  Tue Feb 12 17:39:11 2002
From: masterosario at cox.net (Rosario)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:39:11 -0600
Subject: [Western] Gulf War Land
Message-ID: <002901c1b42f$3d2545c0$7cf00144@dl.cox.net>

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Greetings unto the West.....If you are planning on going to Gulf War, even if you did Pre-register and you want to Camp with the Western Region
Please e-mail me your info......Mundame name....SCA name.....(and Tent size if possible)....You have till FEB.22nd to let me know and to have some sort of area set aside for your camping.

This message does not apply to the folks that have talked to me already via Phone or E-mail or the List I had at Bonwickes 12th night..............


Thank you

Rosario

masterosario at cox.net

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From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Feb 15 10:23:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] War Practice
Message-ID: <003b01c1b64d$d9b158a0$affbf2d0@default>

Please do not forget that I am hosting a War Practice this Sunday at Maxey
Park. This is for anyone that needs the practice that may not be going to
Border Wars.
I would like to get started around 1:30 PM. This will be one of the last
chances for organized practice before Gulf Wars. It does not matter wheather
you plan on going to Gulf or not....we all need the practice<G>.
I will also be doing or taking care of authorizations, if you need them.
There will be not authorizations done at the war, so take care of them now.
Thanks,
HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 15 14:08:31 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Western] Rapier Practice for Gulf War
Message-ID: <F165M0XM7hqfVyR7i8i000185a6@hotmail.com>

This is to one and all rapier fighters in the Western Region.
There will be a regional rapier fighter practice this weekend in Bonwicke.
All rapier fighters who are going to Gulf and who are not going to Gulf need
to be there.
If you are going to Gulf, you need the practice. If you are not going to
Gulf, we need you to practice against. All fighters are needed.
You can help support Ansteorra by helping those who are going. This year we
will be outnumbered, but we can still win this war with practice. So be
there. Ansteorra needs you, don't fail her.
Sunday at 1:30, north east corner of Maxey Park.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 18 14:46:43 2002
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:46:43 -0600
Subject: [Western] Regional Practice
Message-ID: <F1459wHRQaXibm60wcP00010ad2@hotmail.com>

I would like to thank every rapier fighter who showed up for Sunday's rapier
practice. All one of her.

If she could come from the second farthest place in the region, where were
the rest of you?

And you wonder why our numbers are dwindling.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshal


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From alasdairmaciain at charter.net  Tue Feb 19 19:22:38 2002
From: alasdairmaciain at charter.net (Alasdair MacIain)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
Message-ID: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>

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Greetings everyone,

I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.

Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.

Later,
Alasdair
--



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 20 19:59:28 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:59:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Greetings
Message-ID: <006501c1ba8c$29a43660$5972c941@oemcomputer>

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I, Yves de Byron of Mendersham, have neglected to get on this list until now. I am the rapier marshall, and chronicler for Mendersham. Have been in for 20 months now. I fight light, and as George has said "look like Radioactiveman" in my green tunic. Was AoAed Jan. at Bonwick's 12th night (the one in the apron going to the crown <G>). This year will be my first Gulf War, hopefully. I have my confirmation of pre-reservation in hand from Rebecca. Attended 11 events last year, and hope to make a few more this year if things go as planned.
                   Have beer - Will Travel                Ld Yves de Byron
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From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 13:13:09 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:13:09 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010409b89b0ec28c56@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching and I come to you
today with news of this grand day. The Barony of Bonwicke has the
honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join us. The list will
be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big Spring, Texas in and
around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty of room for camping,
and hotels in close proximity. The site opens 3:00 pm, Friday, and
closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will be taking letters of
intent from those that wish to fight in the Crown list but they are
not required. Their Majesties have requested that all fighters bring
their Honor Shields so that all may know who is on the field at any
given time and have also requested a grand display of heraldry from
the populace. Bring your banners, bring your shields, help brighten
the field with displays of your heraldry. A popular vote Arts and
Sciences competition will be held in the main hall during the day
Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested but not required.
There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master Rosario and his
talented crew; feast is wet in period containers only, the rest of
the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space is outdoors, please
contact the steward for reservations. The fee for merchants is a
donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From kainin at copycraft.com  Thu Feb 21 14:05:10 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:05:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament Date
Message-ID: <p0501040cb89b1eb14ab9@[12.5.160.144]>

It might help to know that the date of the spring Crown Tournament is
March 22nd-24th. My thanks to his Lordship Toshiro for catching that
little faux pas.

In service,
Kainin


From chiang at odsy.net  Thu Feb 21 21:05:21 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:05:21 -0600
Subject: [Western] Western Region Fighter
Message-ID: <005701c1bb5e$894365a0$6afaf2d0@default>

    Greetings to the Fighters of the West,
It is just a few short weeks to Gulf Wars. I hope that most of you are
planning on going.
  It is time to get those last minute armor repairs done. If you need any
authorizations, please get in touch with me or an authorizing marshal. There
will not be any done at the War.
  For those of you going there are a couple of things that HG Kein would
like for you to do. He would like for people to have thrusters on their
swords or a stabbing weapon handy. Really good for those times when you can
stab but not swing. If you are using a spear, he would like you to have a
shield hook on it.
  For everyone that is wants to help out in any way, His Grace would also
like to have lots of throwing axes, more commonly called Pork chops.
  We are going to need lots of help this year. We will be most likely out
numbered when we get there. Also I would like to see a bigger turnout than
usual, being as the King and Queen are from the Western Region, we should
show up to support them. We had 29 fighters when HRM Aaron was the Kingdom
Warlord, now that he is King, we can beat that.
   Well I guess that is enough for now<G> See you at the War, I hope.
   Yours in Service,
   HE Chiang, Western Warlord



From kainin at copycraft.com  Fri Feb 22 08:30:28 2002
From: kainin at copycraft.com (HL Kainin Tepesa)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:30:28 -0600
Subject: [Western] Crown Tournament
Message-ID: <p05010403b89c1ec52906@[12.5.160.144]>

Greetings unto all good gentles of Ansteorra,

The spring Crown Tournament is fast approaching (March 22nd - 24th)
and I come to you today with news of this grand day. The Barony of
Bonwicke has the honor of hosting and we invite you to come and join
us. The list will be held at beautiful Comanche Trail Park, in Big
Spring, Texas in and around the Dora Roberts Center. There is plenty
of room for camping, and hotels in close proximity. The site opens
3:00 pm, Friday, and closes at noon on Sunday. Their Majesties will
be taking letters of intent from those that wish to fight in the
Crown list but they are not required. Their Majesties have requested
that all fighters bring their Honor Shields so that all may know who
is on the field at any given time and have also requested a grand
display of heraldry from the populace. Bring your banners, bring your
shields, help brighten the field with displays of your heraldry. A
popular vote Arts and Sciences competition will be held in the main
hall during the day Saturday, no theme, documentation is suggested
but not required. There will be a feast for 200 prepared by Master
Rosario and his talented crew; feast is wet in period containers
only, the rest of the site is dry. Merchants are welcome; all space
is outdoors, please contact the steward for reservations. The fee for
merchants is a donation for the Arts and Sciences winner's basket.

Site Fee: $10.00
Children 6-12: $5.00
Children 5 and under: Free
Family Cap: $30.00

Feast Fee: $6.00
Limited to 200 people
Contact Steward for Reservations

Please make checks payable to: SCA, Inc. - Barony of Bonwicke

Steward: Honorable Lord Kainin Tepesa - Wes Hanna
5436 31st, Lubbock, TX 79407 * 806-799-6630 * seneschal at bonwicke.org

Go to http://www.bonwicke.org/crown.htm for map and hotel information
(this site is still under construction but the map and hotel info. is
there).

Minors must be accompanied by parent or legal guardian. They may also
attend with a 21-year old or older adult with a signed and notarized
Minor Event Waiver Form from the parents.

*Please forgive any multiple postings.



From whitemage at worldnet.att.net  Sat Feb 23 18:39:54 2002
From: whitemage at worldnet.att.net (James Hanke)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Western] Introduction
References: <001e01c1b9bd$d9a4d3a0$f7e8fea9@ftwrth.tx.charter.com>
Message-ID: <3C78527A.AFE1734C@worldnet.att.net>

Greetings to a former member of Mendersham.  Good to hear from you again,  how are things going since we saw each other at Gothic..
Will you becoming to the shire Defender.  I will see you there if you come.

Ld Morgan MacAlpin






Alasdair MacIain wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> Greetings everyone,
>
> I a Lord Alasdair Alaric MacIain, formerly of the Shires of Mendersham and Adlersruhe. I am now living in the Canton of Loch Ruadh in the Barony of Elfsea.
>
> Just got back on line and wanted to stay in touch with my old and new friends.
>
> Later,
> Alasdair
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From bruno at armyofdorkness.org  Mon Feb 25 12:18:41 2002
From: bruno at armyofdorkness.org (Bruno)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:18:41 -0700
Subject: [Western] Fw: Outlands Costume Collegium
Message-ID: <013f01c1be39$9e7a19e0$27104044@clspco.adelphia.net>

> This announcement has gone out to h-costume, sca-garb, KWCS and the Caer
> Galen list. Please feel free to send it to any relevant lists you may be
> on, including Kingdom lists and Laurels lists. Please BCC:
> editor at costumemag.com when you do, so I can keep track and not nag the
> lists unnecessarily.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Autocrat
>
>
> Greetings costumers,
>
> The people of the Outlands take great pleasure in inviting one and all
> to our fifth Costume Collegium to be held April 6 & 7, 2002 in Trinidad,
Colorado.
>
> Our guest speaker is Robin Netherton, known to many on these lists.
> Robin will present a detailed analysis of the fitted fashion of 14th
> century Western Europe, showing how it evolved from earlier unfitted
> fashions, the various versions and uses of the style, and how it formed
> the basis for the later development of the more structured fashions of
> the 15th and 16th centuries. She will also discuss the extant garments
> from the Herjolfsnes (Greenland) grave site, particularly the oft-cited
> "ten-gore" dress, with a discussion of how the Greenland finds might
> influence our understanding of 14th century European fashion.
>
> Marc Carlson from Tulsa OK, known in the SCA as Diarmaid O'Duinn, will
> present a history of shoemaking, and a short workshop on making the 3
> fingered glove seen in the Luttrell Psalter and other sources.
>
> We are also pleased to have renowned SCA embroiderer Lady Rouge du
> Maurier from Caid (Las Vegas NV), who will present a 2 day workshop on
> metal thread embroidery.
>
> There are many other teachers presenting a wide body of information on
> clothing within the SCA period, and we invite you to go to the web site
> (http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/) for more information.
>
> If any of you wish to share your knowledge and expertise with us in the
> Outlands, please fill in the teacher form on the web site. We will be
> delighted to have you!
>
> Of course there will be merchants. We currently have merchants selling
> trim and metal thread embroidery supplies, jewelry, and books. Merchants
> are warmly invited to email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) to
> reserve a table.
>
> The event will take place in Berg Hall on the campus of Trinidad State
> Junior College. Directions and a map are on the web site.
>
> The site fee covers a light breakfast both days, a box lunch and the
> Saturday evening reception to honor our excellent teachers. Any
> materials fees, and the event proceedings are extra.
>
> Pre-registration using the form on the web site is strongly encouraged.
> We really want to know how much food to prepare!
>
> Trinidad, Colorado is on Interstate 25, just north of the New Mexico
> border. Amtrak goes through town twice daily, and the closest airport is
> Colorado Springs, Colorado.
>
> There are the usual chain motels in town, and links are on the web site.
> Space is available in the TSJC dormitories, as well. Dorm space is $25
> per night single or $20 per person per night double. Couples may stay in
> the double rooms. Bedding is provided, but you must bring your own
> towels. Dorms must be reserved and paid for by March 22, no exceptions.
> Please email Mary Denise (editor at costumemag.com) for reservations.
>
> We eagerly look forward to having you at this event!
http://www.caerthe.org/ccv/
>
> Mary Denise Smith
> Lady Marged Tylluan Fach
> Outlands
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Feb 26 21:06:33 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>

   Greetings Once Again,
HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
know, so that we can see how we stand.
  Thanks,
   HE Chiang



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 07:15:13 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:15:13 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>

Spear. Greatsword.

Aaron will be using a shield.

----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From jlusk at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 05:38:02 2002
From: jlusk at crcom.net (Jane Lusk)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:38:02 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
Message-ID: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>

Greetings unto all of this fair region!

I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
the question on to you good gentles.

In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
come from and what does it mean.

So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?

Many thanks!

Your friend,
Ldy Elewys Luscomb
Crossrode Keep


From jacquelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 05:49:51 2002
From: jacquelight at cableone.net (Jacque)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>

Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just withers
them with a look.  Does that count?

U


----- Original Message -----
From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Feb 27 08:43:41 2002
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Eirik)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:43:41 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
In-Reply-To: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <MABBLJIJFFGDLBELHDPAEEOKCJAA.eirik@hot.rr.com>

You might do better to post this on the Ansteorra list. Someone who was
around when the kingdom was a principality would probably know.

Eirik



From cadmartha at wcc.net  Wed Feb 27 08:37:51 2002
From: cadmartha at wcc.net (Cad & Marthe)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>

It is Saxon and means one star.

Cad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 09:52:16 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:52:16 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>

Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?

Larkin

Joe Light wrote:
>
> Spear. Greatsword.
>
> Aaron will be using a shield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

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From m_geisendorff at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 10:47:05 2002
From: m_geisendorff at yahoo.com (TRM Aaron and Britta)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
In-Reply-To: <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <20020227184705.91530.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>

*ROFL*  I think he means his son Aaron. And you
should see him use it to shield punch... Deadly!
:)

HRM Aaron

--- Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane
<larkinokane at cox-internet.com> wrote:
> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a
> shield?
>
> Larkin
>
> Joe Light wrote:
> >
> > Spear. Greatsword.
> >
> > Aaron will be using a shield.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> > To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:06 PM
> > Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >
> > >    Greetings Once Again,
> > > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me
> to try and get an
> > accounting
> > > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what
> they will be fighting with.
> > > Some of you have replied to me before, others
> have not. I really do need
> > to
> > > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> > >   Thanks,
> > >    HE Chiang
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Western mailing list
> > > Western at ansteorra.org
> > >
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> --
> Don't cry because it's over;
> smile because it happened.
> --
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From jasper1420 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:56:56 2002
From: jasper1420 at hotmail.com (Kevin W)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
Message-ID: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>

Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites. Glaive,
spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but he
might also be in my war party.

Jas


>From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
>Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
>To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
>
>    Greetings Once Again,
>HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an accounting
>of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
>Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need to
>know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
>_______________________________________________
>Western mailing list
>Western at ansteorra.org
>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western




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From simone at elfsea.net  Wed Feb 27 15:00:54 2002
From: simone at elfsea.net (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net> <001501c1bfad$1a11b4e0$02000003@daghda>
Message-ID: <00a501c1bfe2$9d297ae0$0501a8c0@camalot>

The meaning of the word Ansteorra is a good question. One Which HE Galen of
Bristol answered for me when I asked a few years ago. below is the gist of
the story he told.

Ansteorra is Saxon for one star but not any star. it comes from a reference
made by a Saxon Monk writing about a comet that had appeared in the heavens.
It was one of the times Hailey's comet had passed  close enough to the earth
to be seen by the naked eye in the middle ages. (NOTE. at that time the
comet was unnamed and people did not know what it was)

Of that comet the Saxon monk referred to it as being the "Ansteorra that one
star Singular and Unique in the heavens".

it is from the same description of Hailey's comet that our kingdom  derives
it's Motto Uniques et Singularus  which translates to Singular and Unique.

Lady Simone ui Dunlaingh


> > Greetings unto all of this fair region!
> >
> > I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> > the question on to you good gentles.
> >
> > In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> > Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> > the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> > come from and what does it mean.
> >
> > So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> > names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > Your friend,
> > Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> > Crossrode Keep
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From joelight at cableone.net  Wed Feb 27 15:54:44 2002
From: joelight at cableone.net (Joe Light)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>

Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.

> Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
>
> Larkin
>




From chiang at odsy.net  Wed Feb 27 15:22:20 2002
From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:22:20 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <001601c1bfe5$9d7b3d00$64faf2d0@default>

Only if they are going to Gulf Wars, but it does sound like the makings of a
great tavern brawl. Which makes one think.......hhhhmmmm...<G>
HE C......would that be heck?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacque" <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:38:05 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:38:05 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default>
Message-ID: <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>

I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
that. <G>     Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: chiang <chiang at odsy.net>
To: Western List <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>    Greetings Once Again,
> HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting with.
> Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> know, so that we can see how we stand.
>   Thanks,
>    HE Chiang
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 15:40:08 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:40:08 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002201c1bf95$a1749910$525e7418@jacque>
Message-ID: <004201c1bfe8$21794c80$4072c941@oemcomputer>

Yes, it counts very well in my book. <BG>       Byron

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacque <jacquelight at cableone.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Um  I can hit them from behind with a spatula.  George is heck with a
> kitchen knife, Isabella can smack em with a skillet, and Safiya just
withers
> them with a look.  Does that count?
>
> U
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chiang" <chiang at odsy.net>
> To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
> Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
>
>
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> > HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
> accounting
> > of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> > Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
> to
> > know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Western mailing list
> > Western at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western



From grlgeorg at nts-online.net  Wed Feb 27 16:20:46 2002
From: grlgeorg at nts-online.net (george~)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:20:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>



: I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you know
: that. <G>     Byron
:


Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??


:-p

george



From larkinokane at cox-internet.com  Wed Feb 27 16:57:10 2002
From: larkinokane at cox-internet.com (Charlie Cain / Larkin O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:57:10 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <000801c1bfa1$8e50e2b0$745e7418@lighthouse> <3C7D1CD0.1F35DADA@cox-internet.com> <001601c1bfea$21522a90$745e7418@lighthouse>
Message-ID: <3C7D8066.BB36B5B8@cox-internet.com>

And his job is to shield his dad? Way to go...


Joe Light wrote:
>
> Umm, ... Aaron as in my son.
>
> > Gee, I know His Majesty is deadly, but only a shield?
> >
> > Larkin
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western

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smile because it happened.
--


From chance at camalott.com  Wed Feb 27 19:47:51 2002
From: chance at camalott.com (LBP)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:47:51 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <004a01c1bf4c$87c15a60$80fbf2d0@default> <002301c1bfe7$cf2a6fe0$4072c941@oemcomputer> <003b01c1bfed$c4cce040$9988a7d8@grlgeorg>
Message-ID: <000b01c1c00a$b31e5500$2071c941@oemcomputer>

mmmmmmm...... maybe.       <G>           Byron
----- Original Message -----
From: george~ <grlgeorg at nts-online.net>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


>
>
>
> : I, Ld Yves de Byron, will be going, and fighting wire weenie. But you
know
> : that. <G>     Byron
> :
>
>
> Is this  "wire weenie" a dreaded enemy from the East??
>
>
> :-p
>
> george
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Western at ansteorra.org
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From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:46:46 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Western] A Question
References: <3C7CE13A.524E4E8C@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <008901c1c00b$c3f3e9c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Loosely translated it means "single star" I believe.  I don't know the
language (Gailec maybe), but it was selected because of it's similarity to
"Lone Star."

That's all I know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Lusk" <jlusk at crcom.net>
To: "Western Region" <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:38 AM
Subject: [Western] A Question


> Greetings unto all of this fair region!
>
> I had a question asked of me, for which I had no answer, so am passing
> the question on to you good gentles.
>
> In our daily newspaper yesterday was a mention of the upcoming Crown
> Tourney, and my boss asked me what "Ansteorra" means.  I told him it was
> the name of our kingdom, but he wanted more, like where did the name
> come from and what does it mean.
>
> So, can any of you answer these questions, please?  Are our kingdom
> names just "made up"?  Where do these names come from?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Your friend,
> Ldy Elewys Luscomb
> Crossrode Keep
> _______________________________________________
> Western mailing list
> Western at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>



From oyler at crcom.net  Wed Feb 27 19:49:18 2002
From: oyler at crcom.net (Steve and Kay Oyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:49:18 -0600
Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
References: <F134zq6xEfhzL1f6Ykw000014b0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c1c00b$c50077c0$b680c641@kayandsteve>

Culen is coming as well, and I believe he will be using sword and board and
possibly doing combat archery.  I'm not sure but will ask him next time I
see him. and if I'm wrong I will let you know.

Marianna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin W" <jasper1420 at hotmail.com>
To: <western at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Western] Fighters for Gulf


> Jasper and possibly Galen will be there. I will bring my favorites.
Glaive,
> spear, hand and a half...well ok I guess I'll bring my shield too. Galen
> fights with his monstrous great sword. Still no word from Voltir yet but
he
> might also be in my war party.
>
> Jas
>
>
> >From: chiang at odsy.net (chiang)
> >Reply-To: western at ansteorra.org
> >To: "Western List" <western at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: [Western] Fighters for Gulf
> >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:33 -0600
> >
> >    Greetings Once Again,
> >HG Kein, the General of our Army, has asked me to try and get an
accounting
> >of who is going to fight at Gulf Wars and what they will be fighting
with.
> >Some of you have replied to me before, others have not. I really do need
to
> >know, so that we can see how we stand.
> >   Thanks,
> >    HE Chiang
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Western mailing list
> >Western at ansteorra.org
> >http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/western
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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