[Western] info on "weapons of mass destruction"

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>Common Sense on Weapons of Mass Destruction
>Since the media has decided to scare everyone with
>predictions of chemical, biological, or nuclear
>warfare on our turf, I decided to write a paper and
>keep things in their proper perspective. I am a
>retired military weapons, munitions, and training
>expert. Lesson number one: In the mid 1990's, there
>were a series of nerve gas attacks on crowded Japanese
>subway stations.  Given perfect conditions for an
>attack, less than 10% of the people there were injured
>(the injured were better in a few hours), and only one
>percent of the injured died. 60 Minutes once had a
>fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could
>kill a thousand people; well, he didn't tell you the
>thousand dead people per drop was theoretical. Drill
>Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff is to
>keep the recruits awake in class (I know this because
>I was a Drill Sergeant, too).
>Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the
>movies, or read in a novel about this stuff, it was
>all a lie (read this sentence again out loud)!
>These weapons are about terror; if you remain calm,
>you will probably not die.
>This is far less scary than the media and their
>"experts" make it sound. Chemical weapons are
>categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and
>Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of
>reporters and politicians, they are not weapons of
>mass destruction; they are "area denial," and terror
>weapons that don't destroy anything. When you leave
>the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the
>difference; you can leave the area and the risk;
>soldiers may have to stay put and sit through it, and
>that's why they need all that spiffy gear.
>These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne
>particles. The agent must be delivered in sufficient
>quantity to kill/injure, and that defines when/how
>it's used. Every day we have a morning and evening
>inversion where "stuff," suspended in the air gets
>pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen)
>and air pollution are worst at these times of  the
>So, a chemical attack will have its best effect an
>hour of so either side of sunrise/sunset. Also, being
>vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than
>air so they will seek low places like ditches,
>basements and underground garages. This stuff won't
>work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's
>hot, and wind spreads it too thin too fast. They've
>got to get this stuff on you, or get you to inhale it
>for it to work.
>They also have to get the concentration of chemicals
>high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's
>nothing, too much and it's wasted. What I hope you've
>gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons
>attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard
>to do with military grade agents and equipment, so you
>can imagine how hard it will be for terrorists. The
>more you know about this stuff, the more you realize
>how hard it is to use.
>We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have
>these in your house: plain old bug killer (like Raid)
>is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same way;
>they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up the
>signals your nervous system uses to make your body
>function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin,
>but it works best if they can get you to inhale it. If
>you don't die in the first minute and you can leave
>the area, you're probably gonna live. The military's
>antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and
>pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of these does
>anything to cure the nerve agent; they send your body
>into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes.
>After that, the agent is  used up.
>Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm.
>Listed below are  the symptoms for nerve agent
>Sudden headache Dimness of vision (someone you're
>looking at will have pinpointed pupils)
>Runny nose.
>Excessive saliva or drooling.
>Difficulty breathing
>Tightness in chest Nausea Stomach cramps
>Twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on
>If you are in public and you start experiencing these
>symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything out of the
>ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray
>something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick,
>too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn,
>something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be? If
>the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic, you
>breathe faster and inhale more air/poison) leave the
>area and head up wind, or outside. Fresh air is the
>best "right now antidote." If you have a blob of
>liquid that looks like molasses or Karo syrup on you,
>blot it or scrape it off and away from yourself with
>anything disposable. This stuff works based on your
>body weight. What a crop duster uses to kill bugs
>won't hurt you, unless you stand there and breathe it
>in real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for
>while. Remember, they have to do all the work, they
>have to get the concentration up and keep it up for
>several minutes, while all you have to do is quit
>getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting space
>between you and the attack.
>Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your
>blood's ability to provide oxygen to your tissue. The
>scenario for attack would be the same as nerve agent.
>Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something
>and folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The
>telltalesmells are bitter almonds or garlic where it
>shouldn't be. The symptoms areblue lips, blue under
>the fingernails, rapid breathing.
>The military's antidote is amyl nitride and, just like
>nerve agent antidote, it just keeps your body working
>for five minutes till the toxins are used up. Fresh
>air is the your best individual chance.
>Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that
>nobody wants to even handle it, let alone use it. It's
>almost impossible to handle safely and may have
>delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack scenario
>is also limited to the things you'd see from other
>chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for
>no apparent reason, don't pop them; if you must, don't
>let the liquid from the blister get on any other area,
>the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely
>to harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine,
>and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.
>Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they
>use industrial chemical spills) -- they are intended
>to make you panic, to terrorize you, to herd you like
>sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the
>area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind
>stream. They have to get the stuff to you, and on you.
>You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any
>given day than be hurt by one of these attacks. Your
>odds get better if you leave the area. Soap, water,
>time, and fresh air really deal  this stuff a
>knock-out-punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack
>rule your life. The odds are really on your side.
>Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass
>destruction on earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb
>are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a
>bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun
>isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over in a
>second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out
>going, and one on the way back. Don't stand up to see
>what happened after the first wave; anything that's
>going to happen will have happened in two full
>minutes. These will be low yield devices and will not
>level whole cities. If you live through the heat,
>blast, and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably
>live for a very, very long time.
>Radiation will not create fifty foot tall women, or
>giant ants and grasshoppers the size of tanks. These
>will be, at the most, one kiloton bombs; that's the
>equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT. Here's the real deal,
>flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of exposed
>(not all!) people within a half mile of the blast.
>Under perfect conditions, this is about a half mile
>circle of death and destruction, but when it's done,
>it's done.
>EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry
>every electronic device for a good distance, it's
>impossible to say what and how far but probably not
>over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good
>guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you name
>it, all will be out of order.
>There are lots of kinds of radiation. You only need to
>worry about three, the others you have lived with for
>years. You need to worry about "ionizing radiation,"
>little sub atomic particles that go whizzing along at
>the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your
>body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how
>you get radiation poisoning -- you have so many dead
>cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you.
>It's the same as people getting radiation treatments
>for cancer, only a bigger area gets radiated. The good
>news is you don't have to just sit there and take it,
>and there's lots you can do rather than panic.
>First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of
>a news paper or your clothing will stop beta
>particles. You just gotta try and avoid inhaling dust
>that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these
>things and you'll be generally safe from them.
>Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays
>(quantum physics makes my brain hurt), and they create
>the same damage as alpha and beta particles, only they
>keep going and kill lots of cells as they go all the
>way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these
>things, lots of dense material. On the other hand, it
>takes a lot of this to kill you.
>Your defense is, as always, to not panic. Basic
>hygiene and normal preparation are your friends. All
>canned or frozen food are safe to eat. The radiation
>poisoning will not affect plants, so fruits and
>vegetables are OK if There's no dust on 'em (rinse 'em
>off if there is). If you don't have running water and
>you need to collect rain water or use water from
>wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim
>off the water gently from the top. The dust with the
>bad stuff in it will settle and the remaining water
>can be used for the toilet, which will still work if
>you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.
>Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much
>to cover here. Basic personal hygiene and sanitation
>will take you further than a million doctors. Wash
>your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy
>kisses, etc., ... with strangers. Keep your garbage
>can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing water
>(like old buckets, ditches, or kiddie pools) laying
>around to allow mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff
>is carried by vectors, that is, bugs, rodents, and
>contaminated material. If biological warfare is so
>easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein
>spent twenty years, millions, and millions of dollars
>trying to get it right? If you're clean of person and
>home, you eat well and are active, you're gonna live.
>Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the
>same as you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas
>mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and I'm not
>getting one and I told my Mom not to bother with one
>either (how's that for confidence?). We have a week's
>worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and
>plenty of soap and water. We don't leave stuff out to
>attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them.
>These people can't conceive a nation this big with
>this much resources. These weapons are made to cause
>panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't run
>around like sheep, they won't use this stuff after
>they find out it's no fun. The government is going
>nuts over this stuff because they have to protect
>every inch of America. You've only gotta protect
>yourself, and by doing that, you help the country.
>Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I
>wrote here and you can think up specific scenarios
>where my advice isn't the best.
>This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of
>people under the greatest number of situations. If you
>don't like my work, don't nit  pick, just sit down and
>explain chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a
>document around three pages long yourself. This is how
>we, the people of the United States, can rob these
>people of their most desired goal, your terror.
>SFC Red Thomas (Ret), Armor Master Gunner, Mesa, AZ
>Unlimited reproduction and distribution is
>Just give me credit for my work, and, keep in context.

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