[Ansteorra] Principality?

[Judie Willey]

My 2 shekels here ...sorry folks

I have been following this thread and I too wish it would die already.

My opinion is as follows:

1) If people can't afford the gas to go to events themselves...how can they
afford to donate money for gas for the Royals?

2) Ansteorra is already divided into regions...so this would be the logical
dividing linces for Principalities.

3) This would neither take away authority ( or loyalty/fealty) from Royals,
Barons etc...but would relieves some of the stress of travel and travel
expenses for them.

4) It would also help to relieve the stress on the Kingdom level
officers...or since they are already Kingdom level for their region...keep
the office and still report to whoever they report to.

5) Whatever Kindom we are in ...be it Ansteorra, Caid, West , Atlantia or
any of the others...unless it is stated as the intention of the Principality
to look for Kingdom status...we are still residents of  ( fill in the
Kingdom name here) .

I think people are stressing over something they don't need to stress
about...the issue simply was brought up as a question of how to have more
local events without stressing to be approved on the Kingdom calender...and
how to make saving gas all around a possibility.

Even if we did break up into princpalities ( see I am not afraid to use the
P word) there are still several major events each year that most of us
attend anyway...such as Crown and Coronations...it would also make
schedualing those a bit easier...rather than having to stress about bids for
the events...it could rotate...example :

West principality holds fall crown
North principality holds fall coronation
East principality holds spring crown
South principality holds spring coronation

the next fall crown would rotate to North and so on.

Just a thought

Hadassah


On 4/26/06, Faelan Caimbeul <faelancaimbeul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you think the peoples of the three Principalities of the West think
> themselves any less Western citizens? I doubt it.
>
> Faelan
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+faelancaimbeul=gmail.com at ansteorra.org] On
> Behalf
> Of HerrDetlef at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Principality?
>
> Oh Lord.  This thread just refuses to die.  Since I lost my wand that I
> could
> wave and make all this go away, I guess I will jump into the fray with my
> own
> two Groschen.
>
> I looked up the SCA geography today, just out of curiosity, and this is
> what
>
> I came up (I may be missing some things here):
>
> Out of eighteen kingdoms currently in the SCA, three were never
> principalities (they were founded as kingdoms), and sixteen were
> principialities before
> they became kingdoms.
>
> There are currently six principalities today: three in the West (which
> have
> been in existence as long as I can remember) and three in An Tir (founded
> within the last ten years).  That's only two kingdoms that currently have
> principalities.
>
> Now, this doesn't prove that "principality" automatically means "incipient
> kingdom", but it does demonstrate a high correlation between one and the
> other.
>
> If the rationale behind forming a principality or two is simply so that
> the
> visitation load on the Crown can be lightened, well, that's really not
> convincing enough.  That purpose is served by the tradition of allowing
> landed barons
> and baronesses to usurp certain royal prerogatives (such as holding
> chancery
>
> courts and awarding arms to worthy individuals).  Local groups or
> individuals
> can also pitch in to help the Crown with travel and accomodation expenses
> so
>
> that they can attend events in the far reaches of the kingdom.  I guess
> the
> question here would be this one:  What would forming a principality in
> Ansteorra
> achieve that could NOT be done without said formation?
>
> My impression has always been that a cluster of local groups forms a
> principality when they see themselves collectively as culturally distinct
> from the
> rest of the kingdom.  A principality is a regional identity, if not a
> national
> one, not only in the SCA but also in mundanity.  Do we have that in
> Ansteorra?
> I know that proximity does influence many people's event attendance
> patterns,
> but we really don't have any regional identities here.  One of the cool
> things
> about Ansteorra is our basic unified nationality, and most people would be
> loath to compromise that simply to solve issues that can be solved by
> other
> means.  Talk of principalities in this kingdom has rarely accomplished
> much
> beyond
> a rash of hard feelings and distrust among the populace.
>
> Ansteorra has a great thing going with the fact that we can operate just
> fine
> without principalities.  I cannot think of a soul who plays SCA in
> Ansteorra
>
> who would seriously entertain identifying themselves as something other
> than
>
> Ansteorran, at least beyond the identify of the local group.  I am an
> Ansteorran exactly as much as my friends in Namron (for example) are, or
> the
> good folks
> living in Bonwicke.  We are of the same blood.  We react in much the same
> way
> when we see a ten-pointed star on a gold flag.  We are Ansteorrans.  And
> we
> are family.  (Okay, I'm being mushy......but this is a family without
> factions.
> That's the point I am trying in my clumsy way to make.)  That camraderie
> is
>
> a significant part of what identifies us to the rest of the Knowne Worlde.
> I
> wouldn't trade that for anything.
>
> P.S., long story short:  we don't have anything resembling the kind of
> regional identity in Ansteorra that would entice a whole group of people
> to
> think of
> themselves as anything other than Ansteorrans.  Without that, there really
> is
> no reason to open that can of worms here.  Creating a principality for the
> wrong reasons can only spell disaster.  Only my opinion; you can take it
> or
> leave it and I won't be offended.
>
> Peace, y'all!
>
> Detlef
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