[Ansteorra] Principality?

[Faelan Caimbeul]

Again, they are still Ansteorrans. They have been before, are now, and would
continue to be so. 

You say they're different? I'll tell you about different. How many Barons do
you know that can issue Grants, give AoAs? None, right. I know one, and only
one. The Palatine Baron of the Far West. We were completely separated from
the West, but we were still West Kingdom. We were proud of that fact, even
though we had little contact with the Kingdom at large. We were also VERY
proud of the fact we were a Palatine Barony, an almost unique entity in the
SCA (completely unique in the fact our Coronet can give traditionally
Kingdom level awards on their own initiation without the Crown). However, we
always considered ourselves citizens of the Realm. Our pride in ourselves
grew so that we went out of our way to support the Kingdom in any way we
could. That got us noticed, and got us our special status. Service to the
Crown, as a "different" entity.

I agree that a Principality is different, but I don't have to convince
people to STOP being Ansteorrans. People just need to START thinking of
themselves as a Principality. 

I beg to differ that there isn't the Regional pride. I see it all the time.
Everyone seems to be proud of their region and their group. I see several
Baronies that work together all the time, and a few that are almost
inseperable. Seems to be the beginnings of a Principality to me.

Faelan

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces+faelancaimbeul=gmail.com at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces+faelancaimbeul=gmail.com at ansteorra.org] On Behalf
Of Paul DeLisle
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:53 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Principality?

Good my lord...
You are preaching to the wrong people... or, at the very least, preaching
the wrong sermon (*s*)
This situation is nowhere near as self-evident as you make it out, or we
would already *have* Principalities.
I think you mis-understand the concept of what, exactly, a Principality
is...it isn't just a big Barony...or a Region by another name.
A Principality (a healthy one, at any rate) does not start as a Political
entity, and then become Social...it works the other way around.
Principalities start as a *social* division... and move from there.
A Principality is *separate*. Separate from it's parent Kingdom in all but
the highest (political and legal) functions...separate in attitude, and
proud of their distiction.

As I have pointed out before...there does not seem to (currently) be enough
of a "distinctive attitude" here to form a Principality.
People here are still all Ansteorrans. When they want to be something
different, they will be so.

So, if you want to convince a group of people that there should be a
Principality...you must first convince them that they are not Ansteorrans.

I wish you good luck.

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tir Medoin, Ansteorra



> Weren't all Kingdoms, except West, East and Middle, all Principalities at
> one time? How else would the Society grow? I understand not
> wanting to split
> the Kingdom. I like it here. But I think using the possibility, years down
> the road, that a Principality could become a Kingdom is a bad
> reason not to
> form one. Just because we CAN do a thing, doesn't necessarily
> follow that we
> MUST do that thing.
>
> Of course, then there's Ansteorra. We already have Principalities, five of
> them, we just call them regions, don't give them Royals, and
> apparently many
> are in denial.
>
> I've heard the argument put forth that people don't want to deal with the
> added beuracracy and paperwork. I don't understand where this is coming
> from. If a region became a Principality, all that would change is titles
> (Regional Seneschal becomes Principality Seneschal) and nothing would
> change, including his job. He would still report to Kingdom, and
> the locals
> would report to him. This is what happens now.
>
> The advantage is that we DO take some of the pressure off the King. Front
> what I've been able to glean, it really is hard to handle our vast realm.
> I'm sure He would welcome some help. A landed Prince can do that.
>
> Faelan


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