[Ansteorra] Re: the dreaded P word, again

[Morgan Buchanan]

If I read a map correctly, the entirety of the Kingdom of the West is all 
Princepalities.  If I read a map correctly, the old Atenveldt prior to it 
giving birth to Artemisia was all Princepalities.  There is precedence and 
nothing wrong with it, for what it's worth.

I do not think that's "us" but I also don't think that the BoD would care if 
that's what we decided to do  and we did it right.  We'd have viscounts and 
vicountesses sticking out of our ears.  It wouldn't take many years before 
we had more viscounts than centurions.

My thoughts, and it's not argumentation, I'm just curious.

I don't see how a princepality saves the populace money, unless the ultimate 
goal is for that princepality to break away.  And if that ultimate goal is 
to break away, only then, after the break, do I see a cost savings of any 
kind on the populace at large, because only then is a more "real" border 
drawn.  If someone who believes thus could enlighten me offline, I'd 
appreciate it.

I can deffinately see how a princepality helps serve the kingdom better, 
because it provides a larger royal presence so theoretically more royalty 
gets to more events, and therefore the populace sees royalty at a greater 
number of events.

But if the goal of the princepality is NOT to break away, I simply can't 
see, long term or short term, how that saves anybody money, unless less 
travel and insularism are encouraged.  And who'd want to do THAT?

None of this means in any way, shape or form that I think a princepality is 
a good or bad thing.  If some reasonably identifiable area of the kingdom 
wants to become a princepality, they need to go about it from within.  The 
kingdom as a whole doesn't need to decide "We need X, Y and Z to become a 
princepality."  Until that kind of grass-roots work begins, I see this as an 
interesting discussion, and wonderfully theoretical.

I don't see this discussion has been unconstructive.  In fact, the least 
constructive of it has been the call for it to cease.  Those having the 
discussion itself have been polite and non-inflametory.  Just because it 
went badly last time doesn't mean it will do so again.

Of course, I moved to Ansteorra from a Princepality that has since become a 
kingdom in her own right (Northshield) and I know the process CAN be handled 
well, consideratly, with aplomb, civility and reason.  I believe that 
Ansteorrans are up to the task.

Morgan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul DeLisle" <ferret at hot.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Re: the dreaded P word, again


> One small caveat:
> If all the Regions are re-named as Principalities...there would no longer
> *be* an Ansteorra, merely five Principalities, with an invisible Kingdom
> structure linking them. Entirely aside from the fact that I can't conceive
> of *any* Ansteorran wanting to (effectively) dissolve our Kingdom; I doubt
> that the BOD would allow it.
>
> Alden
>
>
>>   Milord Faelan makes many good points. Mainly, the
>> lack of real difference between "regions" and
>> "Principalities".
>>   If Ansteorra renamed the regions to principalities,
>> the only additional layer added would be their
>> highnesses. It would only necessitate adding 4 events
>> per year, need not lead to separation, and would be a
>> boon to Their Royal Majesties.
>>   At this point, I am not jumping on any baandwagon,
>> just admiytting, there is food for thought.
>>   This IS a very emotional subject, obviously.
>> I would suggest we all step back, calm down, and think
>> carefully before we respond, to be sure we have not
>> misinterpreted someone's comment.
>>
>>    YIS,
>>
>>
>>               Ld High Adm Robert Haddock: Commander in Chief,
>> Ansteorran Royal Navy(By Wind & Wave, This We Shall Defend)
>>   Cheiftain, Clan Haddock(Clann Abair Cach); Personal bodyguard,
>> Triumvirs of House Lightning Mist  ;
>>    Shieldbrother to Lord Gunnar of Gunnarsstead; Nightwolf
>
>
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