[Ansteorra] Point Scores

[Greg Coffman]

Since LPT is a body of work display, the displays are often at least,  
if not more, impressive than the ones seen at Kingdom A&S. (At least  
from a non-artisan point of view.)

Iago
On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Elisava Illiesca wrote:

> There is an event like this, Laurel Prize Tournament.
> I had the opportunity to go to the last one, and put out my art,  
> and received a lot of very helpful positive feedback from the Laurels.
> the feedback has helped me a lot with improving my art and I really  
> enjoyed it.
> -Lady Elisava Illiesca
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose" <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Point Scores
>
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> I would like to go to an event where, instead of (or in addition  
> to) an arts and sciences competition, there were an arts and  
> sciences commentary instead.
>
> I would like to set out what I've finished and/or am working on,  
> and instead of a judge writing a score on a form, they speak to me  
> instead, and tell me what they think. Saves paper and  
> misunderstandings. :)
>
> I think that the idea of a score is really daunting, whereas having  
> a short conversation with a more learned person on a topic that I  
> love doesn't seem scary at all. I know that I'd have to sit by my  
> work and wait, as opposed to setting it down and walking away, but  
> it would so be worth it! (Especially if there were a bunch of us.  
> It would be like an artists luncheon, plus constructive advice  
> hour. In other words, heaven!)
>
> Anyway, there's probably something like this already, and I've just  
> missed it... :)
>
> Note: I'm NOT saying that we should do away with competition! I  
> would just like to see this occasionally, in addition to the  
> wonderful artistic activities that our kingdom already does.)
>
>
> -Rose the Obnoxious
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> Wonder is the cause of delight because it carries the hope of  
> overy.     -Thomas Aquinas
>
> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Shenanigans and calculating point scores
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:45 PM
>
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> One of the things that the Laurels Retreats have tried to do is to  
> help Ansteorran Laurels "calibrate" judging by bringing some sample  
> items to judge, then discussing the scores assigned at various ends  
> of the spectrum and why.
>
> Despite such efforts, scoring A&S is really variable. Some judges  
> start at a perfect score and deduct. Some people start at the  
> median score and add or subtract from there. For me, on a 100 point  
> scoring system, 100 points would represent an item that was 100%  
> period in technique and materials, and well-documented. I have co- 
> judged with people who refused to give a perfect score because the  
> only piece that would merit such in their eyes would BE an actual  
> period artifact (a view I found illogical and unreasonable, but  
> what are ya gonna do?)
>
> The "well-documented" part is because WITHOUT good documentation,  
> there's really no way for the judge to be able to assess how  
> splendiferous the piece really is. You could have a "perfectly  
> period in practically every way" piece that the judges can't score  
> well because you didn't provide enough info in the documentation to  
> allow them to do so. Not sure what to do with documentation? The  
> Laurels' Website has good "how to write documentation" articles  
> available to help you at http://laurel.ansteorra.org/
>
> I also think it's a GREAT idea for EVERY SINGLE ARTIST who ever  
> enters a scored A&S competition to ask a Laurel to let you  
> accompany them and help judge a few times. The reason why is that  
> when you yourself have to figure out what to put on the page, you  
> QUICKLY find it's harder than you would think! Doing this with a  
> Laurel who will explain their thought processes to you as they  
> develop the score for an item can be invaluable in understanding  
> the scores you receive on your own work. EIther help judge an area  
> you are not entered in yourself, or judge at a competition where  
> you have no entry at all to maintain fairness.
>
> One of the harsh realities of serving as an A&S judge and giving  
> real feedback is that some people entering these contests are  
> unwilling to receive anything BUT praise. I've had people who told  
> me to my face to "not pull any punches, tell me the harsh truth"  
> get all bent out of shape when I suggested places they could  
> improve their next project. Don't take your score as being  
> equivalent to a scholastic "grade". It's just a point total on a  
> judging form, not a commentary on your worth as a human being.
>
> My personal belief is that if you do not genuinely want to know how  
> you could improve a piece, you should not enter it into  
> competition. If all you want is praise, you should take it to a  
> Laurel and say, "See my spiffy new whatsis! Isn't it lovel?" This  
> cues the Laurel to make a generally amiable statement, smile  
> brightly, and sidle away to make a break for it. You can also get  
> this effect by entering populace-judged bean-count competitions.
>
> ::GUNNVOR::
>
> Still long-winded.
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