[Ansteorra] Point Scores

[Deborah Wade]

Both venues have their place in encouraging artists to get their work out and where it can be seen.  
Scored competitions allow artist to show off the magic piece that they have poured the skill and heart into along with the supporting research they did in preparing the project. In otherword primary focus is depth of knowledge about that art rather than breadth.
Body of work displays allow artists to focus on the breadth by displaying all of their art forms and perhaps one or two focus pieces.

The end result is that artist will produce incredible displays for both venues that humble me as a Laurel and one of those who has to judge and critique the pieces.

Rhiannon ferch Cian 




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From: Greg Coffman <baroniago at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 3:45:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Point Scores

Since LPT is a body of work display, the displays are often at least, if not more, impressive than the ones seen at Kingdom A&S. (At least from a non-artisan point of view.)

Iago
On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Elisava Illiesca wrote:

> There is an event like this, Laurel Prize Tournament.
> I had the opportunity to go to the last one, and put out my art, and received a lot of very helpful positive feedback from the Laurels.
> the feedback has helped me a lot with improving my art and I really enjoyed it.
> -Lady Elisava Illiesca
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose" <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Point Scores
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> I would like to go to an event where, instead of (or in addition to) an arts and sciences competition, there were an arts and sciences commentary instead.
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> I would like to set out what I've finished and/or am working on, and instead of a judge writing a score on a form, they speak to me instead, and tell me what they think. Saves paper and misunderstandings. :)
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> I think that the idea of a score is really daunting, whereas having a short conversation with a more learned person on a topic that I love doesn't seem scary at all. I know that I'd have to sit by my work and wait, as opposed to setting it down and walking away, but it would so be worth it! (Especially if there were a bunch of us. It would be like an artists luncheon, plus constructive advice hour. In other words, heaven!)
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> Anyway, there's probably something like this already, and I've just missed it... :)
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> Note: I'm NOT saying that we should do away with competition! I would just like to see this occasionally, in addition to the wonderful artistic activities that our kingdom already does.)
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> -Rose the Obnoxious
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> Wonder is the cause of delight because it carries the hope of overy.    -Thomas Aquinas
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> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Shenanigans and calculating point scores
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:45 PM
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> One of the things that the Laurels Retreats have tried to do is to help Ansteorran Laurels "calibrate" judging by bringing some sample items to judge, then discussing the scores assigned at various ends of the spectrum and why.
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> Despite such efforts, scoring A&S is really variable. Some judges start at a perfect score and deduct. Some people start at the median score and add or subtract from there. For me, on a 100 point scoring system, 100 points would represent an item that was 100% period in technique and materials, and well-documented. I have co-judged with people who refused to give a perfect score because the only piece that would merit such in their eyes would BE an actual period artifact (a view I found illogical and unreasonable, but what are ya gonna do?)
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> The "well-documented" part is because WITHOUT good documentation, there's really no way for the judge to be able to assess how splendiferous the piece really is. You could have a "perfectly period in practically every way" piece that the judges can't score well because you didn't provide enough info in the documentation to allow them to do so. Not sure what to do with documentation? The Laurels' Website has good "how to write documentation" articles available to help you at http://laurel.ansteorra.org/
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> I also think it's a GREAT idea for EVERY SINGLE ARTIST who ever enters a scored A&S competition to ask a Laurel to let you accompany them and help judge a few times. The reason why is that when you yourself have to figure out what to put on the page, you QUICKLY find it's harder than you would think! Doing this with a Laurel who will explain their thought processes to you as they develop the score for an item can be invaluable in understanding the scores you receive on your own work. EIther help judge an area you are not entered in yourself, or judge at a competition where you have no entry at all to maintain fairness.
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> One of the harsh realities of serving as an A&S judge and giving real feedback is that some people entering these contests are unwilling to receive anything BUT praise. I've had people who told me to my face to "not pull any punches, tell me the harsh truth" get all bent out of shape when I suggested places they could improve their next project. Don't take your score as being equivalent to a scholastic "grade". It's just a point total on a judging form, not a commentary on your worth as a human being.
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> My personal belief is that if you do not genuinely want to know how you could improve a piece, you should not enter it into competition. If all you want is praise, you should take it to a Laurel and say, "See my spiffy new whatsis! Isn't it lovel?" This cues the Laurel to make a generally amiable statement, smile brightly, and sidle away to make a break for it. You can also get this effect by entering populace-judged bean-count competitions.
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> ::GUNNVOR::
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> Still long-winded.
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