Renaissance Courtiers (was Re: ANST - Dennis O'Connor)

Lenny Zimmermann zarlor at
Fri Aug 8 11:49:33 PDT 1997

On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:44:49 -0700, Dennis O'Conner wrote:

> From: Timothy A. McDaniel <tmcd at>
>>Hossein Ali Qomi wrote:
>>While I like authenticity where it's
>>just as easy to be authentic as not, I must say that I'd rather
>>have "a distillation of renaissance courtier ideals" in the SCA.
>Renaissance courtiers ... the toadies that hung around courts ?
>Weren't their ideals sloth, self-promotion, brown-nosing,
>vicious rumor-mongering, and in general, skill at nasty politics ?
>I'd rather hang out with country knights and direct but
>abrasive guildsmen and farmers, myself.  At least
>with them I don't have to watch my back.

Speaking of poor examples. Don't you think that is a bit too much of a
generalization? For every negative example of a courtier you provide I
have no doubts I can provide an example of the opposite. The same can
be said of country knights, guildsmen and farmers. In every case
people are people, and politics are politics. There are those that are
exemplary and those that are deplorable and examples of each can
always be cited.

Honos Servio,
Lionardo Acquistapace, Bjornsborg
(mka Lenny Zimmermann, San Antonio)
zarlor at

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