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Sandy M Koenig
ravensmk at juno.com
Mon Jun 29 00:12:26 PDT 1998
My
>husband is very new and very enthusiastic about SCA, and I cringe
>when I see
>him so enthusiastic, because I know that the time will come, sooner or
>later,
>when somebody will play the politics game on him, and he will be "over
>it".
perhaps not. I don't get involved in the politics, and he shouldn't
either. I definitely understand where you are coming from, but give him
the chance to enjoy the good things in the SCA
>And, I really am amazed that people are so willing to overlook
>personality
>flaws and antisocial behavior in certain members of the SCA.
I think it depends on how familiar everyone is with you. Othar has been
in the SCA for a long time and is a Squire, but does that mean he can do
no wrong?
>Privacy
>and
>"fairness" is so emphasized, that it is near impossible to >call a cad
>on their
>behavior without being villified yourself.
Yes, if you speak out aginst a popular person ,then you are the villain.
But again, people need to know that some of these people are not sugar
and cream like they make out to be
>I was nearly raped by a
>man at an
>event, and wound up kicking the hell out of him to get >him to let go
>of me. I
>complained to the only people in "power" I knew at the >time, and was
>told that
>this individual "gets a bit rowdy at times",
yes, these type of men are always excused. there is NO excuse for that
type of behavior
and "now you >know to just
>steer
>clear of him". And, when I attempted to tell the story of what
>happened to
>me, was told I had no right, as the man was not there to defend
>himself
>against me.
oh well, he should have watched his Ps and Qs
>
>The attitude I get is that if somebody is abusive, hostile, or plain
>uncouth,
>that it is a "private" thing and nobody wants to hear about it. So,
>everybody
>sticks their head in the sand and pretends that bad things do not
>happen.
unfortunately that is the attitude of society in general
>
>I have some people I am close to in the SCA, but they are leaving left
>and
>right. First, Beth and Craig. Now, Scott and Sandy.
I am not leaving. Mayne may have a change of heart later also. he is
just wound up right now.
>I am really disappointed in Othar's letter to Mayne and Sandy. That
>is not
>the Othar I met so many years ago when I first got interested in the
>SCA.
yes, he is a different person now. don't know why
I
>hope he has taken time to reflect on what he has said, especially the
>part
>about his circle of influence. I would hate to see him go the way of
>using
>people to fulfill his political/personal agendas, there is no need for
>it. He
>does not need to go that way.
>
>I knew Mayne was opening a BIG can of worms when he posted that
>letter, and
>after talking to him on the phone today, I understand how he can feel
>so
>disillusioned, and hurt. I understand where he is coming from. I
>have gotten
>some bad nastygrams in my e-mails too. I can't say I would not have
>posted it
>either. I have posted nastygrams on Usenet newsgroups from e-mails I
>have
>received. But, the fact that it is an Ansteorra list, and we pretty
>much all
>"know" each other offline made it more harsh than just calling
>somebody on the
>carpet for crude behavior. Generally I chalk it up to the fact that
>people
>cannot take back those words after the send button is pressed, and
>people are
>much more likely to "pop off" online than face to face. But,
>everybody has
>his/her final straw.
>
>I hate to see Scott and Sandy go. I hated to see Beth and Craig go.
>But,
>people have to do what they need to do. If it is just no longer fun,
>then
>they should go away until when, and if, it seems like fun again.
>
>I have not gotten to that point just yet. I am really trying to talk
>myself
>into taking the next step, and getting involved in some A&S groups and
>guilds,
>etc..... (I am the type who has to take tenative, wary steps at just
>about
>anything) There are some great people in this group, and the
>potential for
>good experiences is there. Hey, I met my best girlfriend and some of
>my other
>closest friends in the SCA.
>
>Who knows........... When is the next Stargate populace meeting, and
>where?
>I will make it a point to take that step.
>
>Am I just the only one who is really saddened at all this unnecessary
>negativity?
>
>Tracy
>(Lady Aurorae)
>
>
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