ANST - Re: Why am I playing this game

[Catherine de Calais]

I can not speak for HL Isobel, who I know to be a sensible considerate and 
levelheaded person, but as for me, I am in agreement with all she said.  I 
might add that since we do not know what the arguement was about, or the 
circumstances preceeding it, it is hard to take a stand or gain a good 
perspective about the altercation.


As for me, I have found that when we put mere mortals upon a pedestal, they 
are doomed to disappoint us.  Peers are mortals and make mistakes. 
Disappointment is a part of everyday life, and the SCA is no different. Me 
personally, no one will run me off from the SCA.



Lady Catherine de Calais
Barony of Bjornsborg

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>From: Dana Schuman <dschuman at afsnet.com>
>Reply-To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
>To: "'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'" <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
>Subject: ANST - Re: Why am I playing this game
>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 17:58:26 -0500
>
>		> >
>HL Catherine and HL Isobel,
>
>I think you have missed the point of HL Anya's post. In my opinion, it
>wasn't about whether or not people are perfect, or what jerks we all can 
>be.
>
>
>It was about the actions of 4 people, 2 of them peers(who in my opinion
>should have known better), ganging up on one singular peer and backing the
>peer into a corner with "no means of escape". I believe HL Anya said there
>were 4 people attacking one, not 2.  I think you may have misconstrued that
>as well, or you may other information that I do not posses.  I feel that
>even though HL Anya did not know exactly what was being said, the fact was
>that this was done IN PUBLIC, where SCA and NON-SCA people could witness 
>the
>entire altercation.  She apparently heard screeching and witnessed 4 people
>advancing on one.  I feel if she witnessed that, then so could others.  The
>opportunity was there to make a negative impression on the public.
>Something the SCA as a whole has been fighting against since its birth.
>
>  I have no idea why this action took place, but I am overly concerned that
>the people in question behaved inappropriately in a business establishment.
>
>Those 4 people who backed the one into a display were not behaving, in my
>eyes, as adults should.  I feel the 2 peers of the group (being Peers of 
>the
>Realm and raised to that position not only because of there area(s) of
>expertise, but of their past actions of chivalry and grace)  should have
>realized this may not have been a good thing and suggested their
>disagreements be continued in a less public environment and at a later time
>so that every one could gather their thoughts and opinions and present them
>to each other in a more civilized manner.  Thus resolving the issue
>courteously and with dignity for all involved.
>
>Isobel, you also suggested that the lone peer may have done something 
>really
>bad to warrant this attack by the others.  I was raised in the SCA to think
>that if one did something "really bad", higher authorities, such as the
>Crown or Kingdom Seneschal or the like, would be notified and consulted on
>the matter.  So there would be no action like this one and so the SCA would
>always be in positive public opinion.  It would all be handled with 
>civility
>with everyone giving and receiving the respect they are due, where no one 
>is
>slighted or treated without respect and feels as if there is no escape or 
>no
>way to defend themselves.
>
>The actions of the people involved are the issue here.  And the question 
>was
>raised by HL Anya "what do we do?" , "what do I do?" about such behavior.
>I know what I will do, I will stand as an example to others of what to be,
>not what not to be.  I will show others what dignity, grace, and honor 
>mean.
>I will strive to never do what those 4 people have done to that lone peer,
>treating another with no respect or dignity.
>
>I was raised to treat your lessers as equals, your equals as betters, and
>your betters with the highest reverence.  I will pass that on as well.
>
>
>Annais de Montgomerie
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