[Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....

[Mike Catron]

Sir Pendaran,

I agree with your statement. I, also get tired of offering, only to be
rebuffed. I am getting older like everyone else, sometimes I need
assistance myself, too many injuries and surgeries over the years. The
days that I could shrug off the stiffness in my legs are long gone. I
can only speak for myself, but if the weather is changing like it has
been for the last month or so - then I pay for my youthful adventures
again and again.

Will join you in awaiting for the fire.

Michael of the Fray


Brian Martin wrote:
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> Good ladies and all who read this,
>
> Sorry, but I've got to step in here. I don't know how many times I've
> offered to help a lady carry something only to be rebuffed. I've had
> actually had women get offended that I offered to help, telling me that they
> were *quite* capable of carrying something without a man's assistance. Which
> is it? Should we offer or not? How can we tell that you want help or don't?
> Body language doesn't do it, by the way - men, in general, aren't good at
> interpreting it.
>
> There have also been several occasions where I've helped various women carry
> various things throughout the day, only to be called down and criticized on
> the one time that I didn't see a lady with a burden or was unable to help.
> It seems to me that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't and will be
> criticized either way.
>
> Awaiting the fire,
> Pendaran
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michele Hoermann [mailto:ladyjutta at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:04 AM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....
>
> And may I add in this bit a few ladies and I have noticed....
> What ever happened to the time when a lady could not walk 3 feet carrying
> something heavy or bulky (or anything for that matter) without a lord coming
> out of nowhere to pluck these things from your arms and assist you to your
> destination. Be it just 2 more feet away or clear across the site. I know
> this time was not THAT long ago. Yet, I have had many men, including Knights
> and Dons, walk right by a lady with her arms full and not even take notice.
> Please tell me that chivalry is not dead in the SCA!!
> Lady Jutta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pam Kendrick" <pkendrick at houston.rr.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....
>
> > I hate to say this, but here goes.......................
> >
> > Last year at Star Gate's Baronial I could not even get one of four knights
> > to help me lift a heavy cooler off a table and onto the floor, though I
> > asked several times for assistance.
> >
> > They were MUCH too busy talking about how to properly hit an opponent.  I
> > have since stopped asking.
> >
> > Setting up camp alone, with or without children, has become the norm
> rather
> > than the exception.
> >
> > Damask
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of DonnelShaw at aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:40 PM
> > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Clickishness....
> >
> >
> > I know personally I can no longer set up a camp by myself. I don't have
> the
> > strength. But I don't seem to get the help I use to get. Since I have
> > children with me I tend to be stuck looking for someone and apologizing
> to
> > them. My solution has been an RV. But that does not cover it at a lot of
> > events. Thus I tend to day trip a lot of times. I use to brag that I could
> > always find help to set up my tent. Now that is not the case. I know there
> > are other women who travel by them selves with children that have voiced
> > similar. Can I see any up lifted hands willing to help when needed women
> > with
> > children?
> > Ly Maili Donnel MacGregor
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