[Ansteorra] Teachers, totally off subject... [MUNDANE SPAM]

[maddie teller-kook]

What is going on here?

I have taught at all levels from Middle School to Graduate School and I find
that we are  all too tightly wound.   We are a country that educates
everyone with no exceptions.   Do the Japanese, Chinese , Europeans,
Indians, etc... do the same?   The answer is NO.

If you educate the masses then except a bell curve of responses.  If you pay
educators at the same pay rate per years of experience and not based upon a
merit system then expect a wide range of teaching techniques and results.

Bottom line:   I want my students to start at the bottom of the food chain
and fight their way up.  In the process, I want them to develop as adults
and pay their taxes so that I can retire and get a small government check
each month that they contribute to like I did and the genereation before
them did.

Thank us, your teachers,  but in the words of Bill S. Preston ".... Party on
Dudes....and be Excellent to one another".    Really good words... don't you
think.  Now on the count of three....get back out there and start talk about
your favorite hobby...THE SCA.

Jonathna ap Morgan
(Dr. Kook)
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From: "Galen W. Bevel" <galenbv at ix.netcom.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Teachers, totally off subject... [MUNDANE SPAM]


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>  > Date: 11/14/02 4:47:41 PM
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> > Caladin asked:
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> > end of the year based on "how well you did", however you determine
that...
> >
> > I figured we had lots of teachers around on this list, and i wondered
why
> > they were so against pay
> > being linked to performance, other than it's harded than just having pay
> > linked to seiniority...
> >
> > Can anyone tell me? You can answer privatley if you don't want to spam
the
> > list...
> > 'Cause it seems like a natural to me...I Mean , more money is more money
> > right?
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> > Okay, let's say teacher A. has a class full of kids from nice
> neighborhoods,
> > and nice families whose parents are involved in their kids' lives and
> expect
> > those kids to go to college, and teacher B. has a class full of kids who
> > live in a depressed, crime ridden area whose parents aren't around and
> where
> > college isn't even thought of as a possibility. Which class do you think
> > will have better grades and test scores? Would those grades and test
> scores
> > be an accurate reflection of the two teacher's skills?
> >
> > My point is that there are a lot more variables involved in student
> > performance than how good the teacher is. Cultural expectations,
parental
> > involvement and other things play a big role.
> >
> > Pendaran
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> Once again I agree wholeheartedly.  However, the same can be said to some
> extent for every work force in existence.  Some people have a well
> motivated and highly trained group who are ready,willing and able to get
> the job done.  Some have a group who are one step above trained monkeys
> (and some of those are probabvly getting the benefit of the doubt as
> regards the monkeys).  Yet, in every single case I know of the boss is
> still able to perform a review and make a judgement based on the group
> manager's performance.  I think the big problem with schools is that the
> kids don't see a bad review (bad grades) as directly afffecting their
lives
> like someone who's paycheck depends upon it every year.  The method of
> determining teacher performance cannot be related only to how students
> perform on a standardized test, but I cannot beleive that it is impossible
> to judge their performance based on _some_ set of criteria.  I am kind of
> torn by this, because I have seen and dealt and been related to some
> excellent teachers who have gotten the short end of the stick, but I have
> also dealt with some real ....well I shouldn't use those words here.  I
> want to significantly reward the many good teachers, but not by passing
out
> blanket rewards or creating a system that protects the really bad ones.
>
> Galen K.
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