[Ansteorra] LAND: Feast Hall Wish-List (a little long/complex)

Isobel de Kirkbryde kirkbryde at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 22 16:01:58 PST 2005


I don't like benches because they are hard.   With my bad back and my bad hip, after surgery this summer, I can't sit  on a hard surface for long at all.  Heck, I even have to take a  pillow to church. 
  
  Lady Isobel de Kirkbryde

Bethany Burke <damsle_n_distress2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:I  personally do not like bench seating. I have personal space issues and  bench seating encourages people to cram all there friends together  which then crowds everyone else. But then again, as I said before, I  have personal space issues.
Elizabeth

Chass  wrote: Lol you make it sound like being Abducted.. I mean recruited into our 
household is a bad thing lol we do offer libations and good food lol.  Aye 
but is the standard 36 inches square per person the standard still? The 
feast hall that I saw in blueprints was about 40x50 with the kitchen added 
onto the building but not in the 40x50 area, with walk in freezer and cooler 
on the kitchen itself. I know one now has to plan with 36" aisles between 
seating areas for handicapped access/wheelchair access. Do most preferre 
provided bench seats or the carry your own kinda seating? Remember these are 
just questions :)


Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
Chass Brown
Muddeler of Mead, Ailement of Ale and Whiner of wine
Honorable Recruiter of house of the Red Shark, Have you seen my Belaying 
Pin?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike C. Baker / Kihe Blackeagle" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] LAND: Feast Hall Wish-List (a little long/complex)


Charinthalis:  I want it to be large enough that I can avoid that Belaying 
Pin, 'salright? 

More seriously:  size of the hall in feet relates directly to how many can 
be comfortably seated therein, in addition to access spaces, stages, 
sideboard areas, antechambers, kitchen facilities, convenient additional 
function spaces, acoustics, etc., yada, und so weiter.

All dimensions below are in feet unless otherwise specified.

To take three examples from recent / upcoming events (if memory serves, and 
I encourage corrections!):
 the Ennis Sokol Hall site will comfortably seat *for feast* between 50 and 
80 8-foot tables, and the kitchen area will support that many without 
serious overextension.  It is essentially a collection of contiguous 
basketball courts (3? 4?) plus perhaps five or six smaller indoor spaces 
that can be used for meetings or additional functions [balcony, bar, 
"server's room", stage, "downstairs", ???] . No camping on-site, reasonably 
central location in Ansteorra, reasonable number of nearby motels and good 
assortment of off-site food alternatives.  I think we've seated nearly 500, 
and served over 300?

The community center at Canton, sometimes referred to as "the onsite WalMart 
building" by my eye has roughly 2/3 the floor space, no internal meeting 
areas to speak of other than the stage or perhaps a corner delineated by 
barriers we provide, a relatively inadequate kitchen [that I'm not certain 
is accessible / rentable], and a whacking great lot of available camping 
area.  Reasonably central location in Ansteorra, reasonable number of nearby 
motel accommodations and off-site food alternatives.  I believe I've seen 
200-300 seated for court, I don't recall feasting in that hall myself.

The Jaycee civic function building where Lindenwood held Yule festivities 
has a TINY kitchen, one room of roughly 40x60 dimensions, and a very 
separate room of perhaps half to perhaps 2/3 that size. Reasonably central 
location in Ansteorra, very good access to motel/hotel facilities  I will 
estimate that Lindenwood Yule had a total attendance of less than fifty 
gentles, and using only the larger room we were very comfortably 
accommodated (so sez Hiz Travesty, da consort-Kink o' Misrule).  Access to 
the second room would have allowed more classes / activities to be included. 
As far as seating for feast with the buffet-style setup, we would have still 
been comfortable at maybe 80 gentles?

Deriving from the above, various other discussions, and my personal tastes, 
I arrive at the following specifications!

AMRA'S FEAST HALL WISH LIST -- Approximate Capacity 300+, stone or 
stone&steel construction [fire resistant]:
  N.B.: all figures are off-my-cuff approximations and may not satisfy 
various regulations and requirements of modern law or accepted architectural 
design / engineering practices... Probable minimum "footprint" in acres of 
land: 25 - 40

  Kitchen -- proportionate to and considerate of the number expected to be 
feasting AND the comfort of the kitchen staff, approx. At least 30x40 plus 
walk-ins & closets, with good counters / islands / prep tables/ etc...  At 
least two full-size commercial stoves (each with a minimum of four burners 
plus oven), an additional double oven, and a separate 3x8 grill -- all with 
vent hoods, etc.; commercial freezer, refrigeration units; large prep and 
cleaning areas; over-sized commercial hot water system.  Appropriate 
utensils, vessels, serviceware, and accommodation for feasters to clean 
their own gear.  Backup generator dedicated to kitchen use; additional 
backup fuel system / alternate-source backup for cooking equipment.  Outdoor 
barbecue pit, smokers, roasters, etc.  "Staging area" / server's prep area 
approx. 20x30

  Antechambers:  at least four of classroom size (20x20, 20x30, or 
thereabouts), at least four additional of half that size.

  Entry hall: 15x30, plus covered load/unload area (one of the niceties I 
like at the Ennis Sokol Hall site...)  Coat racks / coat rooms appropriate 
to area & climate.

  Main hall: 150x90 PLUS stage/proscenium and adits / side "booths" (boxes / 
loges); minimum 25 foot ceiling throughout

  Choir loft & galleries: as appropriate / reasonable; with heavy draperies 
to create additional "separate" spaces for secondary activities.

  Sanitation Facilities:  as appropriate to projected capacity, with at 
least 15-25% larger stalls than modern norm (costuming); estimating 20 
stalls and 4 urinals distributed for each of the sexes and divided into at 
least two separately-plumbed "clusters", with redundant access to water 
sources AND sewer accommodation (at least two separate bathrooms each for 
Men and Women, perhaps two additional "family chambers"); shower facilities 
to support grounds & activities.

  Grounds / External Amenities:  all-weather parking for 250 vehicles, list 
field(s), archery range(s), thrown weapons range, siege weapon range, horse 
arena & equestrian course with paddocks/stalls, coursing facility (all with 
covered galleries for observers); camping area (Ciard's design based on the 
"show arena" makes sense to me!) with additional sanitary facility 
arrangements, RV hook-ups, access to motels/hotels/alternate eateries. 
Appropriate storm shelter arrangements for 150% of rated dining / camping 
capacity.

  GENERAL:  accommodation for non-electrical lighting *in addition to* 
modern lighting; state-of-the-art fire/smoke detection and control / safety 
systems; fully-zoned climate control within the hall taking advantage of 
ground water source heat pump & gas heat.  At least partial supply of energy 
requirements from solar, wind, methane generation, and other "renewable" / 
recycled sources (as long as we're dreaming, DREAM BIG...)
Gee.  I have *probably* left something out...

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
SCA: al-Sayyid Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em

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