[Ansteorra] Results of Vambrace Poll

[James Crouchet]

I don't do much armored fighting but I have been writing and maintaining
rules for many years.

There is no chance most of the fighters will actually look through
multiple documents trying to figure out which rules apply to them. So,
the goal is to be able to present the fighters with a single clear, easy
to understand set of rules. It is up to us to keep up with changes in
the Society rules and update our own rules to reflect that. That takes
some extra effort on the part of the marshalate but that's the job.

I don't see anything wrong with just copying any sections of the Society
rules that apply and putting them directly in our own rules, just making
changes where we feel they are necessary. However, that is not a reason
to leave our own rules incomplete and send the fighters in search of
other documents.

Most fighters just want to fight and don't much care about written pages
of rules, let alone multiple documents. They won't make the effort to
keep up with changes; on the rapier side we still have fighters obeying
rules that were deleted 10 years ago. The challenge for the marshalate
is to push out the changes that matter and help the fighters keep up to
date. Any extra effort it takes to maintain our rules is small compared
with what it takes to do that.

Whether we require more armor than SCA minimums is a separate question
from whether we maintain one complete set of rules and one better suited
to those who do more armored fighting than me.

IMO...

Christian Doré


Jean Paul de Sens wrote:
> I know that upon discussion with Sir Keif et al, the original purpose was so
> that Ansteorran's would have to only have one manual, and the original
> design was that the Ansteorran handbook would be a copy of Society with
> Ansteorra's additions all in one place, so that no fighter had to go get two
> handbooks.
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> In practice, there have been enough changes to the Society rules over time,
> combined with the sheer size of the rules,  that it has become difficult to
> keep both documents in sync.  Indeed, it was quite a shock to me the first
> time I went to a foreign war, and they said "did you know X is illegal", and
> I said, "No, it's allowed in our kingdom", to be met with "Society says you
> can't wear/do that".
>
> So if we fall to Society minimums, what are the benefits?  No need to keep
> track of two rule sets, no need to figure out which things are SCA and which
> things are Ansteorran.
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> Downsides?  We might lose some of the specialness of our combat... i'm not
> sure... and we'd lose vambraces and belly protection (only two things I can
> think of off the top of my head).
>
> JP
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> On 11/3/06, Michael Silverhands <silverhands at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace wrote:
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>>>> * If "yes", then should we specify any armor standards at all in the
>>>> Ansteorra rules? Or should we simply ratify whatever standards are
>>>> set by Corporate?
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>>> Yes, Michael, the idea is to set our armor standards to match the
>>> requirements put forth in the SCA Marshal's Handbook with no
>>> additions. We would not be the first to do so. East Kingdom,
>>> Aethelmearc, and Atlantia (perhaps others, I'm not certain) already
>>> do so.
>>>
>>>       
>> Thanks, Lyonel (and Jean Paul, who replied previously).
>>
>> What was our motivation for putting the current rules into our
>> handbook? What are the benefits and disadvantages of leaving them as
>> they are?
>>
>> What would be our motivation for removing them, thus defaulting to
>> SCA minimum standards? What would be the risk or disadvantage of
>> doing so? What would be the advantage or benefit, other than
>> presumably greater individual freedom?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
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