[Ansteorra] Telling someone that what they are doing is notperiod

[Judie Willey]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been following these posts and keeping my mouth shut as much as
possible...but thank you for expressing so well what we are trying to look
for.

We need to get our newcomers past the "peer fear", and help to guide them
into the extent of "period" that is their comfort zone.

It took 13 years to get Lord Torquil into more garb than a tunic with
jeans...he just wasnt ready:)

And speaking of feast gear...shamless plug.....we were discussing a 2 day
all day class for Newcomers to make feast gear so they have it for 12th
night. we havn't settled dates yet...but the 2 days will be over a 2 month
period and their gear will be ready before 12th night. Old timers will be
welcome as well...the dishes will be pre-poured, and the cost will be for
the greenware, glaze and firing. ( sorry we just cant afford to front the
materials for that many)

Anyway, back tot he discussion...I think our first goal is to help people be
comfortable with what we do...then worry about how "period" (or accurate as
possible with modern materials to be more precise) they become.

OK , my turn to get off the soap box

YIS,
Rebbe Hadassah Sarai bas Yossi
MoC, Steppes



On 9/14/06, Virginia Gatling <ginlee at cnbcom.net> wrote:
>
>
> Not period! Regina's definition: It's really an excuse and subject of
> conversation to make one feel better about themselves and not take
> responsibility for not being perfect; or OK, it's not period; let's make
> it
> period! Crochet anyone? Let's use fisher hooks to make knots!;-)
>
> Don't get me started! Ambiance! Ambiance! Ambiance! Think of a time when
> the
> Lighting was right, Banners flying, the Clash of Weapons, the Army of
> Ansteorra in its Black & Gold going into battle (Outlands, Gulf & Pennsics
> Wars), the Army returning from war, ( be it heavy, rapier,seige weapon
> etc.)
> a good bardic fire (can I tell you of great performers), smoke rising in
> the
> mist at old Ravensfort when the horns were saying goodbye to a fallen
> comrade, all going about their chosen paths in "garb" (not jeans &
> t-shirts
> with logos on them, not with cokes in their hands) who cares what material
> garb is made of (unless it is so bad I can't stand it or for A&S ). I make
> an "attempt" to be in period "garb" and I make an "attempt" to have a
> period
> set-up ( I have had totally period set ups in years past and they are a
> pain
> but I enjoy the ambience). I am also guilty of leaving my vehicle near my
> camp, having a can in my tent ( I don't like it but I tolerate it; because
> I
> notice that "everyone else does the same thing and no one cares about the
> ambience anymore". I TRY not to do these things but I'm getting old and
> lazy. I have made comments and regretted them later.
>
> My observations over the last twenty plus years are thus.....until 1996 I
> didn't notice the small changes ( more inside one day events ), labels on
> water bottles, conversations about computers and games as you walk by
> pavilions, chip wrappers & soda cans in sight, no persona play anymore, no
> one helping & and being polite anymore ( no common courtesy) and personal
> agendas and character bashing. I would never go into another's camp area
> without hailing the camp first. Today I see adults & children just
> treating
> others camps like their own., eating food, picking up what they want,
> going
> into tents etc. without permission (one time a child came into my pavilion
> ate something off a tray and left the uneaten part on the tray and left, I
> have no idea who she was or to whom she belonged).
>
> Over the last few years I have noticed that many want the glory, status
> and
> rank the SCA has to offer and they do not seem to care who they hurt in
> the
> process, some want everyone to play by their rules and how "they" play the
> game, others make up the rules to suit themselves for their own goals,
> others just sit on their "laurels, pelicans, hats etc."  and others do
> what
> is politically correct by some system I am unaware and then they either
> quit
> playing or become "god-like".( I'll never attain peerage now for sure!)
> I'm
> sure this is all "period" but does it help us retain members.
>
> I'm sorry if I offend anyone (then maybe I'm not; it depends on who you
> are!). The ME world! Instant gratification not willing to work for
> anything
> want it given to you on a silver platter! Get off it!  Start looking at
> what
> you are doing before you talk about what someone else's is doing. Talk to
> that person before spreading rumors or using the "I was told it WAS NOT
> PERIOD thing! START WITH THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT YOU INTO THE SCA! Everyone
> should know the ground rules before going to their first event and if they
> don't it may be the because they were not given proper info or you are
> just
> looking for another type of "cheap bar" to go to for the week-end. ( Me,
> the
> SCA was a yearning and a release from job pressure ( you know that life &
> death thing); I found a flyer in the Presidio of Monterey in 1978-1979 and
> the SCA was for me, I moved to Berlin, Germany in 1980 and kept it with me
> until I arrived in Texas in late 1985, a group of us found the Shire of
> Middleford and started playing as best we could without guidance.) Learn,
> Read, ask for help; if you run into someone who is a brick wall find
> someone
> else to help; petition the crown if you feel you are abused ( beheadings
> are
> done every Saturday before court ) come see me or just grow up & go back
> to
> mommy!( No don't go to mommy (she doesn't want you)! Just grow up and
> learn
> from you mistakes.)
>
> Now what I would do! Dress your newbie's in basic early period for their
> first event, then teach them to make their own , help them acquire basic
> items like feast gear etc. ( I paid feast my first event but didn't have
> feast gear ; I've never forgotten mine since). It is not our
> responsibility
> to provide paper plates, cups or plastic serviceware for all attendees to
> events. At Queens there were persons who were down right indignant because
> we didn't have paper plates and forks) all persons need to take the
> responsibility to provide for their own needs to include water and
> hydration, child care, proper clothing etc. That is another can of worms.
> Please remove the labels from water bottles or make bags for
> them.(Personal
> plug!) Give newbie's the tools to learn how to play the game and guide
> them
> to a path to help them achieve their goals not yours. Let them fly!
> Ambiance! Ambiance! Ambiance! Research! Research! How many will now stand
> up
> and say Yes, I learned that from Regina! I'm going to start a fire with my
> soapbox now! Anyone for bardic?
>
> To get back to the original thread- get over it and go on it was probably
> a
> bad hair day!
>
> A misty evening in Eldern while walking my ferrets through the woods I saw
> the flickering of fires; I heard a voice so strong; something pulling me
> closer; no not War! What was this? I just finished my first tourney- a
> swiss
> five- my foes Duke Inman, Duke Micheal, HLCorrine and two others. I did
> well. Time to party. That voice, pulling me closer. Where did all these
> people come from? The cry of war drums! Yes War! Let's go kill tonight! I
> turn to my comrades all with fire in their eyes and we head for War!
> Outlands here we come! Wait! We Can't go now! The war is next month. My
> first encounter with Sir Ricardo de Pisa.
>
> OK, who's at fault: Everyone!  So let's make it better. Got a problem pet
> a
> ferret and your troubles fade away! or you have a wound to bandage.
>
> Volunteer! Volunteer! I need your help at the Roses tourney in Nov. Come
> one! Come all! Shameless plug! E-mail me and sign up.
>
> In Service,
> Countess Regina
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Rebbe Hadassah Sarai bas Yossi
MoC Barony of Steppes