[Ansteorra] Wanting Awards-forced award

[Dave Wise]

HG Llewelyn of Trimaris resigned both his KSCA and a Pelican because he 
felt he was no longer able to fulfill the duties required, if I recall 
correctly.

Alexis

>Why would someone who is obviously doing the job of a peer not want to be recognized as one?
>  gwyneth
>
>Michael Silverhands <silverhands at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:49 AM, Robert Fitzmorgan wrote:
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>
>>Our culture views it as somehow disreputable to openly seek 
>>awards,
>>recognition and praise, but at the same time we find it difficult 
>>to believe
>>that someone really isn't interested in those things.
>>    
>>
>
>A real-life example: someone whom I know was being considered for the 
>Pelican's circle. One of the circle knew that the person (I'll use 
>the genderless "Pat" to protect their privacy) had previously 
>expressed a wish not to be made a Peer, so he discretely asked Pat. 
>Pat's answer was clear, succinct, and unequivocal: "If I am offered a 
>Pelican, I will refuse. If I am called into court to be made a 
>Pelican, I will leave the SCA and never return."
>
>We got the hint. Sometimes you have to hit us over the head with a 
>clue stick. Sometimes more than once.
>
>But it's as you said:
>  
>
>>... When someone
>>says they don't want an award, our culture has trained us to 
>>interpret that
>>as meaning that they in fact do want it but are refusing it because 
>>they
>>don't want to appear greedy, proud or whatever.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Because they couldn't *possibly* mean what they said, that they don't 
>want the award. And if our hero actually *does* refuse it, we don't 
>understand that and try to come up with our own explanations for why 
>that might be so (which ties back to Sir Lyonel's comments of the 
>other day about ascribing motives and labels to people, to explain 
>behavior that we don't understand).
>
>We *are* a funny lot, aren't we? :-)
>
>By the way... a quibble: you used a common turn of phrase, "refuse 
>the honour", which I assume you used as a harmless figure of speech. 
>But in this case I will beg to differ with that word choice. You 
>aren't refusing "honor", because that's a gift that only you can give 
>yourself and has nothing to do with awards. For most awards, what you 
>are refusing is "glory" -- and I think that's the point that "Pat" 
>was trying to make.
>
>For a Peerage, of course, you are also refusing appointment to an 
>office (for life) in addition to the glory. :-)
>
>Michael Silverhands
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