[Ansteorra] [Ansteorra-announce] Siege Equipment - Ramps

Sat Feb 3 05:20:23 PST 2007

I went to Gulf 3 years ago, and as it was my 2nd event, I really was mostly
useless and wasn't supposed to be anywhere, so I took tons of pictures as
half the guys never ended up getting pictures of themselves at big events.
I've also found a few pictures on the internet where people handily had
their shields laying against the wall right by the crenellations. If I
remember correctly, the crenellations were at a height where I would be able
to see over them if I were next to them - I'm just under 6'. Looking at the
pictures, they seem to be between most people's chin and nose. I also have a
picture with...I think it may be Corwin, standing on something inside the
fort, so he's in the opening with his arms spread open wide. Maybe we should
go borrow him to measure? It's in a group picture from Rhoadd/Western region
posing right in front of one, so we could probably figure out about how high
they are from that too.

I'm not good at judging distances. I don't have any place to host the
pictures currently. I can email them to someone else to host, I may be able
to bring them to Candlemas or I could just bring my laptop to the Gulf Wars
meeting on Wednesday.

So, this year, I need to take my measuring tape over to the fort and start
taking pictures and measurements?

 - Alasa

On 2/2/07, Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Salut cozyns,
>
> Many thanks, Phocas. I guess the next logical step would be a bit of
> reconstruction from the pictures. I'm going to hazard a set of guesses
> based
> on the apparent heights of the individuals in the pictures. My
> trigonometry
> skills are a bit rusty, and the angles in the photos are a bit misleading,
> but I'm interested to see what everyone else derives.
>
> Looks like the low points in the crenels on the castle are all either
> roughly five feet from the ground or six feet from the ground. The ramps
> (not counting the stepped one) appear to be about 20" wide and roughly
> twelve feet in length, constructed on a frame of 2X4s. The rungs on the
> ramps look to be made with 1x2s in some cases and 1" or larger dowels in
> others. The rope handles are passed through holes beside the rungs and
> tied
> to around the rungs. The surface looks like 1/2" plywood, and the
> kickstands
> look like 30" 2X4s.
>
> The only measurement I feel really uncertain of is the width. Based on the
>
> photos I think they could be as narrow as 18" but not quite as much as 24"
> wide.
>
> What we can't see in the photos is how much reinforcement each ramp has. I
> would think two Xs of 2X4 with a single 2X4 separating them or three
> diagonals with a 2X4 separating each would be sufficient.
>
> Please, feel free to tell me I've completely misread these photos and
> offer
> corrections.
>
> All in all, this should be simple enough to build. Do we have anyone who
> can
> haul them to the war if we build some?
>
> En Lyonel
> _________________________________
> Impedimentum via est
> (The obstacle is the path)
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Lord Phocas" < phocas at bordermarch.org>
> >Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> ><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >To: "'Michael & Crystal Lemming'"
> ><portofun at ticnet.com>,<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] [Ansteorra-announce] Siege Equipment - Ramps
> >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:12:34 -0600
> >
> >Greetings Duke Miguel and others interested in building siege ramps,
> >
> >
> >
> >   I culled through pictures I have from the last two Gulf Wars and
> posted
> >images of the ramps currently being used there.  They are posted at:
> >
> >HYPERLINK
> >"http://bordermarch.org/Gallery/Ramps"http://bordermarch.org/Gallery/Ramps
> >
> >
> >
> >   I kept them at as high a resolution as possible such that as much
> >construction details could be gleamed from them.   Hope they help.
> >
> >
> >
> >In Service to my Kingdom Ansteorra, Barony Bordermarch, and the Dream.
> >
> >
> >
> >Lord Phocas of Bordermarch
> >
> >  Argent, in pale a tower sable masoned argent and three arrows in pile
> >gules.
> >
> >          Live, Love and Illuminate the Dream!
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ansteorra-announce2-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> >[mailto:ansteorra-announce2-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> >Michael & Crystal Lemming
> >
> >
> >Good Ansteorrans,
> >
> >
> >
> >A call was made to the baronies to produce ramps and various articles of
> >war. I do not know who has committed to what at this point, but I wanted
> to
> >post about the ramp requirements in case anyone wanted to get busy.
> >
> >
> >
> >We should be fine with 12' long by 24" wide ramps - that way they should
> >fit
> >anywhere and give an easy run up them. Do not use 4x4s. They are too
> heavy.
> >Use 2x4s with 3/8 or 1/2 inch plywood and 2x4 support crossbeams where
> >needed. I will be making one (at least) on Sunday and will repost to let
> >you
> >know what I think. Anyone who has made them in the past to good (or ill)
> >effect, please email me at HYPERLINK
> >"mailto:portofun at ticnet.com"portofun at ticnet.com. We want them as light as
> >possible, but sturdy.
> >
> >
> >
> >The measurements were determined by looking at the wall height and width
> >between crenalations. The following statements were pulled directly from
> >the
> >guidelines at: HYPERLINK
> >"http://www.sca.org/officers/marshal/combat/siege/index.html"
> http://www.sca .
> >org/officers/marshal/combat/siege/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >Siege structures shall:
> >
> >1. Be able to support 300 pounds for every 4 square feet of platform
> area.
> >
> >2. Be equipped with railings or walls at least 36 inches tall and able to
>
> >support 100
> >
> >pounds per foot of railing length if the platform is more than 3 feet
> from
> >the
> >
> >ground.
> >
> >3. Be structurally stable (e.g., a wheeled siege tower should have a base
>
> >big enough
> >
> >and wheels large enough to safely carry crew over the terrain of the
> >field).
> >
> >Battering rams and battering structures are permitted, but should be
> >durable
> >
> >enough to withstand repeated impacts and light enough to be safe when
> >carried or
> >
> >if dropped.
> >
> >It says railings, but I don't believe that it means that for ramps. Leave
> >them off for now. I have sent an email to the Society Earl Marshal to
> >clarify the point.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Thank you for your service,
> >
> >
> >
> >Duke Miguel
> >
> >General of Ansteorra
> >
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