[Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east

James Friend jfriend-1 at hotmail.com
Sun May 13 18:24:13 PDT 2007

This entire situation just goes to show how important it is to police 
ourselves and for those of us that have children to be extra careful.  I 
agree with the majority of the comments that say that this lawsuit seem's to 
me to be a money grab.  The SCA is nothing more than a group of individuals 
that have a common interest.  We and I repeat WE are responsible for 
policing our groups.  I truly feel for the kids but as a parent I have to 
ask why would any parent let there children spend the night at a bathulars 
house house that does not have there own children that are friends or 
family.  This is not to say that a single man or woman is not truswothy, but 
as a parent it rases questions in my mind.  Unfortunatly it is to easy to be 
fooled by people and it is better to be safe than sorry.  I admit I do not 
know the circumstances that surround this case but, to sue the SCA for this 
horrible act makes no since outside of trying to get money out of this and 
sounds to me more the idea of a poor lawyer that of the parents and if it is 
indeed the parents that wanted this lawsuit the all I can say is same on 

I do think that we collectively could do much better at policing ourselves 
and hopefully this may help us in doing just that.

Just my two cents

Frederic De La Costas

>From: "Mike Wyvill" <wyvillmike at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:14:51 +0000
>Oh an attorneys do it all the time. The organization my wife worked for had
>a therapist that was being sued. Maryland state law made it impossible for
>her as a therapist to comment about the person's treatment, allegations etc
>in public. However the attorneys for the accused actually got a major
>network to do a story on one of their newmagazines.
>And of course silence meant false accusation to the newsmagazine.
>And I have not heard anyone blame the children. If anything we have said 
>children were ill seerved by those in a position to prevent this.
>Lord Engenulf de Vienville
> >From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> ><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
> >Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:07:08 -0500
> >
> >
> >On May 13, 2007, at 1:33 PM, HLDarcy wrote:
> >
> > > Please, please, please, everyone.
> > >
> > > We don't know all the circumstances of what happened.  Let's not
> > > fall into
> > > the "blame the victim" mode; Which seems to be all to frequently what
> > > happens in any kind of sexual assault or abuse case.
> > >
> > > Darcy
> >
> >Who is "blaming the victim"? I haven't heard one person blame the
> >children.
> >
> >The parents aren't the victim. They in fact may be accessories to the
> >crime through their negligence. Right now they are hiding behind the
> >shield laws while their lawyers do their best to try this case in
> >public. The first article I was pointed to, last week, was a very
> >biased, one-sided "news" article that appears to have been written by
> >the law firm.
> >
> >If the law firm, under the control of these parents, is going to do
> >this, then it is fair for the organization or the people in it, to
> >react and question why they are being accused of causing this crime.
> >
> >If, has been alluded to, the parents did bring their concerns to the
> >SCA officers, and there was sufficient evidence to back their
> >comments up, and the SCA didn't investigate it, then we have done
> >wrong and need to improve our procedures and attitude.
> >
> >Stefan
> >--------
> >THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas
> >StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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> >
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