[Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east

Bulgarelli Maria scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net
Sun May 13 21:22:57 PDT 2007

Ok.  I've kept quite through this but I can't anymore.

I'm not sure how many people in Ansteorra know the
geographical area we are talking about but I certainly
do.  I lived in the Philadelphia area for the first 31
years of my life.  Philadelphians (and those in the
areas around the city) have the strange idea that they
are owed things.  I don't really know why, because I
never had that attitude.  

I can answer one question though.  Why did the parents
wait so long to file a suit?  Well there's this thing
called the statute of limitations.  This is the
attitude in a litigious society.  Get what you can
from one party and then go for another and keep going
til you've gotten as much as you can, no matter what. 
Let's face it.  You get too many people in one place,
they start suing each other.  That's what we have in
these times - a litigious society.

Here's the deal and most of this has been said before.

1 - the SCA has deeper pockets than the
accused/convicted. (as someone has already said)
2 - The parents are probably more pissed at themselves
than anyone else because they didn't keep an eye on
their kids and make sure who they were spending time
with (as someone else has said)
3 - they live in a society where litigation is the
quickest way to get results - doesn't mean they will
feel any better (which I believe someone else implied)

I guess the question is what's a kids psyche worth? 
How much are they actually suing for?  Cause
apparently that's the going rate for a kid's emotional

Makes you think doesn't it?

--- Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:

> At 10:27 PM 5/12/2007, you wrote:
> >Another article said these children spent the night
> at his 
> >house.  Much as I love the friends I have made in
> the SCA, I am 
> >pretty particular where my kids spend the night.
> >
> >As far as SCA activities, I have always camped with
> my children and 
> >family, and at youth activities there is always
> more than one 
> >adult.  And they are in the open, during the day at
> scheduled 
> >events.  I also thought that any SCA "sanctioned"
> event could not be 
> >at a personal residence.  I guess I am hard pressed
> to see where 
> >this is the SCA's fault.  Back ground checks could
> help, as a Den 
> >Mother in the Boy Scouts we had to have them, but
> it is still a 
> >parent's responsibility to see to their children. 
> And there are 
> >very few people I trust with something so precious
> as my boys. Don't 
> >get me wrong, I am really sorry for what these kids
> went through,and 
> >I pray nothing like this ever happens to mine or
> anyone I know.
> >
> >Maybe I just think differently, but I know where my
> kids are, and it 
> >is not spending the night at a single man's house.
> >
> >
> >Elspeth
> Part of the problem, of course, is that the standard
> operating 
> procedure for sexual predators is "gain their trust,
> then abuse it." 
> If this character spent a couple of years in the SCA
> developing a 
> reputation as someone who *can* be trusted with kids
> (which is 
> likely, since he is reported to have been the head
> of their Pages' 
> School) then it's not too surprising that parents
> were letting their 
> kids spend the night at his house.
> On the other hand, some of the Rialto comments
> suggested that some of 
> the kids may have been SCA "orphans"--kids
> interested in the SCA, but 
> whose parents weren't interested--which implies that
> the parents 
> *didn't* know him very well, if at all. I've no idea
> if the parents 
> who are suing fall into that group or not.
> I can't blame the parents for being upset and angry
> that their kids 
> were hurt and abused. I *do* question whether a
> lawsuit against the 
> SCA is the best way to deal with that anger. (It may
> also be worth 
> pointing out that *if* this lawsuit goes to trial,
> and *if* the SCA 
> loses, then the lawyers, not the parents, are going
> to be the ones 
> who profit the most. Look at who made money in the
> tobacco lawsuits 
> that were all over the news a few years ago.)
>          -Tivar Moondragon
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