-----Original Message----- From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Elaine Starkey Sent: 2007 - November 11 - Sunday 13:22 how does one sneer at fencers and archers? generally with pointy things sticking out of one's body<G>. ... how'ld the archers and javelin flingers get involved ?????