[Ansteorra] Regions and thier population base

Jean Paul de Sens jeanpauldesens at gmail.com
Mon Jan 14 13:50:32 PST 2008

LOL.  Robin I wonder if the residents of Tulsa and OKC are going to be
surprised to learn that they don't live in a major metropolitan area


On 1/14/08, Jay Rudin <rudin at ev1.net> wrote:
> Alix wrote:
> > Well I have been watching the descusions on the size of the area
> > formerly known as the Western Region, all the comments have been
> > on the acutal land of the area combaried to the other Regions, so I
> > thought I would look at the population bases of the Regions and
> > the number of SCA memberships in each Region.
> That may be a fun game, but it won't change the actual rules.  Branch
> requirements are not based on a per-capita basis.  Only the SCA people
> count.  The hundreds of thousands of people who aren't in the SCA have no
> effect on branch status, for obvious reasons.
> > For the population base I used the numbers on a web site called
> > city-data.com.the SCA member # are from the Ansteorran web site
> > the # from Aug 07.
> > Here is what I found.
> > Central has 452 SCA members and a population base of 4,159,371 this is a
> > per capita of 11 members per 100k
> > Coastal has 430 SCA members and a population base of  2,699,390 this is a
> > per capita of  16 members per 100k
> > Northern has 466 SCA members and a population base of  1,440,981 this is
> > a per capita of 32  members per 100k
> > Southern has 409 SCA members and a population base of  2,429,883 this is
> > a per capita of 17  members per 100k
> > Western has 106 SCA members and a population base of  835,511 this is a
> > per capita of 13 members per 100k
> > Now some of you are going to say that Western does not have viable # 's
> > well acording to Capora a Knigdom need 400 members a principality needs
> > 100 a Barony 25, shires and cantons need 5.
> > Now just because I thought it would be intersesting I took the numbers
> > one step further, and took the membership #'s and pop base #'s for
> > Crossroadkeep and took that per capita to see what other groups should
> > have as memberships if they had the same per capita memberships ,here are
> > just a few,
> > Elfsea 358 they have 141
> > Stepps 893 they have 117
> > Staregate 708 they have 115
> > Northkeep 138 they have 115
> > Bjornsborg 428 they have 105
> >>From the numbers is appears that the Western Region is being held to a
> >>higher standard of memberships.
> Not at all.  You can't change the requirements and then draw any
> conclusions from that.
> You have documented that the Western region has roughly 1/4 as many members
> as any other region, and fewer people than several baronies.  Look at the
> actual count, not the "per-capita" figures.  You have also documented that
> the other region in a similar situation, the North, has more than met the
> challenge, maintaining more than twice as many members per capita than the
> rest of us.  With no major metropolitan areas, they nonetheless maintain
> four baronies and a province.  Nobody else is even close.  Vivat
> Nordsteorra!
> If you wish to maintain that the requirements are harder to meet in less
> populous areas, well, of course -- nobody ever suggested otherwise.  Yes,
> it's harder to maintain numbers in a smaller population.  Bordermarch has
> struggled with this problem for decades.  But that doesn't mean they are
> held to a "higher standard"; it means the standard won't be lowered.
> There's no branch in Quinlan, Texas for exactly this reason.  Elfsea was a
> shire for years while Steppes was a barony because it takes longer to build
> in a smaller population pool.  Now they've passed us in membership.  They
> didn't need lowered standards; they met the challenge and surpassed their
> elder sister.
> The minimum remains 5 sustaining members for a shire and 25 sustaining
> members for a barony, and the standard remains sufficient qualified officer
> pools and meeting the reporting requirements.
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
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