[Ansteorra] Regions and thier population base
cadunham at gmail.com
Mon Jan 14 14:01:33 PST 2008
Exactly. I guess 520000 people and the third largest city in the US (land)
isn't major enough (and that's just OKC. Not the surrounding cities.)
On Jan 14, 2008 3:50 PM, Jean Paul de Sens <jeanpauldesens at gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL. Robin I wonder if the residents of Tulsa and OKC are going to be
> surprised to learn that they don't live in a major metropolitan area
> On 1/14/08, Jay Rudin <rudin at ev1.net> wrote:
> > Alix wrote:
> > > Well I have been watching the descusions on the size of the area
> > > formerly known as the Western Region, all the comments have been
> > > on the acutal land of the area combaried to the other Regions, so I
> > > thought I would look at the population bases of the Regions and
> > > the number of SCA memberships in each Region.
> > That may be a fun game, but it won't change the actual rules. Branch
> > requirements are not based on a per-capita basis. Only the SCA people
> > count. The hundreds of thousands of people who aren't in the SCA have
> > effect on branch status, for obvious reasons.
> > > For the population base I used the numbers on a web site called
> > > city-data.com.the SCA member # are from the Ansteorran web site
> > > the # from Aug 07.
> > > Here is what I found.
> > > Central has 452 SCA members and a population base of 4,159,371 this is
> > > per capita of 11 members per 100k
> > > Coastal has 430 SCA members and a population base of 2,699,390 this
> is a
> > > per capita of 16 members per 100k
> > > Northern has 466 SCA members and a population base of 1,440,981 this
> > > a per capita of 32 members per 100k
> > > Southern has 409 SCA members and a population base of 2,429,883 this
> > > a per capita of 17 members per 100k
> > > Western has 106 SCA members and a population base of 835,511 this is
> > > per capita of 13 members per 100k
> > > Now some of you are going to say that Western does not have viable #
> > > well acording to Capora a Knigdom need 400 members a principality
> > > 100 a Barony 25, shires and cantons need 5.
> > > Now just because I thought it would be intersesting I took the numbers
> > > one step further, and took the membership #'s and pop base #'s for
> > > Crossroadkeep and took that per capita to see what other groups should
> > > have as memberships if they had the same per capita memberships ,here
> > > just a few,
> > > Elfsea 358 they have 141
> > > Stepps 893 they have 117
> > > Staregate 708 they have 115
> > > Northkeep 138 they have 115
> > > Bjornsborg 428 they have 105
> > >>From the numbers is appears that the Western Region is being held to a
> > >>higher standard of memberships.
> > Not at all. You can't change the requirements and then draw any
> > conclusions from that.
> > You have documented that the Western region has roughly 1/4 as many
> > as any other region, and fewer people than several baronies. Look at
> > actual count, not the "per-capita" figures. You have also documented
> > the other region in a similar situation, the North, has more than met
> > challenge, maintaining more than twice as many members per capita than
> > rest of us. With no major metropolitan areas, they nonetheless maintain
> > four baronies and a province. Nobody else is even close. Vivat
> > Nordsteorra!
> > If you wish to maintain that the requirements are harder to meet in less
> > populous areas, well, of course -- nobody ever suggested otherwise.
> > it's harder to maintain numbers in a smaller population. Bordermarch
> > struggled with this problem for decades. But that doesn't mean they are
> > held to a "higher standard"; it means the standard won't be lowered.
> > There's no branch in Quinlan, Texas for exactly this reason. Elfsea was
> > shire for years while Steppes was a barony because it takes longer to
> > in a smaller population pool. Now they've passed us in membership.
> > didn't need lowered standards; they met the challenge and surpassed
> > elder sister.
> > The minimum remains 5 sustaining members for a shire and 25 sustaining
> > members for a barony, and the standard remains sufficient qualified
> > pools and meeting the reporting requirements.
> > Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
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