[Ansteorra] Question for gate folks

L T ldeerslayer at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 12 21:33:37 PDT 2008 

It also might create resentment...

If people are not paid members because they don't feel thay have the income to be a paid member... then they will resent being asked and feel that they are being pointed out... and thus feel unwelcome... and may stop attending altogether...

Statistics are always only going to be only relatively accurate anyway...
apply the standard discrepancy rate of plus or minus 5%
to Kaitlyn's 33% (I trust Kaitlyn's figures...she's just one of those people who _makes sure_")  

A passive way to get people to become members... is to actually carry membership forms... when someone says that they're not a member...
hand them a form...

In several groups they've had drawings for paid memberships... drawings at meetings for those who present their membership card... etc...
all passive non-threatening ways of encouraging membership.

L DeerSlayer



--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Chris Birdwell <angusmgunn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Birdwell <angusmgunn at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question for gate folks
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:24 AM
> Well, if folks really wanted to take it on you could come up
> with a form that counted numbers of members and non-members
> and then ask if they were mmebers or if they forgot their
> cards. Do that for say, a year, and get a cross section of
> what the actual numbers were. Just a thought.
>  
> Yours,
>  
> Angus Gunn.
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, larkinokane at suddenlink.net
> <larkinokane at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> 
> From: larkinokane at suddenlink.net
> <larkinokane at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question for gate folks
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:20 AM
> 
> nice hypothesis... now, do we prove it or ignore it? and
> how will that effect
> the possibility that the whole thing is wrong? 
> --
> Shalom,
> Charlie/Larkin
> Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem
> 
> ---- Jean Paul de Sens <jeanpauldesens at gmail.com>
> wrote: 
> > And I disagree.  The errors caused by forgotten cards
> will probably be
> > relatively constant, and can be ignored.
> > 
> > JP
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Kingdom Webminister
> > <vscribe at ansteorra.org> wrote:
> > > I never said *no* data. You did. :)
> > >
> > > I said, "Counting NMS numbers is just never
> going to be a good
> indicator for
> > > a true number of non-members attending an
> event." And explained
> how to get a
> > > truer number. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > HE Chiara Francesca
> > > Kingdom WebMinister, Ansteorra
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-
> > >> bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> Jean Paul de Sens
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:54 PM
> > >> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question for gate
> folks
> > >>
> > >> Eh, but it'll still be better than *no*
> data or just shear
> guesswork
> > >> for estimating non-member numbers.
> > >>
> > >> JP
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kingdom
> Webminister
> > >> <vscribe at ansteorra.org> wrote:
> > >> > We also have to remember that when we
> forget our membership
> cards we
> > >> must register as a non-member.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thus, these numbers will always reflect
> a skewed number.
> Some will be
> > >> those of us that have forgotten our cards,
> some will be those of
> us
> > >> that have not renewed in time, some will be
> folks that choose not
> to
> > >> purchase memberships, and possibly some of
> them may actually be
> > >> newcomers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Counting NMS numbers is just never going
> to be a good
> indicator for a
> > >> true number of non-members attending an
> event.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, if we had say a column that was for
> us to put N - for
> new, FC -
> > >> for forgot card, NM - for non-member. Just a
> thought.
> > >> >
> > >> > The only truly sure fire way to know is
> to actually sit and
> compare
> > >> all those names to the online seneschal form
> where they verify
> > >> membership of their officers at the corporate
> site.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > HE Chiara Francesca
> > >> > Kingdom WebMinister, Ansteorra
> > >> >
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From:
> ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-
> > >> >> bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On
> Behalf Of Kaitlyn
> Mckenna
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008
> 12:58 PM
> > >> >> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question
> for gate folks
> > >> >>
> > >> >> When I was compiling the NMS numbers
> while Kingdom
> Exchequer, pretty
> > >> >> consistently across all groups was
> 33% non members per
> event.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --kaitlyn
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:56 PM,
> Chris Zakes
> <dontivar at gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Recently on another list,
> someone claimed that
> there are more non-
> > >> >> members
> > >> >> > at SCA events than paid
> members. That seemed kind
> of unlikely to
> > >> me.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So, for those folks who work
> the gate, and see
> who's coming in,
> > >> >> what's your
> > >> >> > reaction to this. *Do* we have
> more non-members
> than members
> > >> >> attending?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >        -Tivar Moondragon
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
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