[Ansteorra] Mother of Ansteorra

HerrDetlef herrdetlef at gmail.com
Fri Jan 15 15:58:56 PST 2010

This is for the members of the list, not for the originator of this thread.

People like whoever originated this thread have added to English vocabulary
another meaning for the word "flamer". A flamer is a person who anonymously
enters discussion groups, mailing lists, chat rooms, etc. for no other
reason than to disrupt that group. I've seen situations like this several
times over in discussion groups about the issue of same-sex marriage.
Somebody pops in, says something horribly offensive and upsetting, and
disappears. The people in the group are left wasting time and energy on
someone who's not worth the effort, while the flamer gets a cheap thrill
from his disruptive behavior.

I really feel sorry for people who are so starved for attention that they
develop an unnatural obsession with gaining even negative attention through
such means. Such a person has no sense of accomplishment or pride in
anything other than his ability to get under people's skin. The originator
of this thread probably doesn't know who Duchess Willow de Wisp, OL, OP,
Lion of Ansteorra, is; he probably would have attacked anybody, no matter
who it was. It's just his bad luck that he managed to pick on a former Queen
of one of the oldest Kingdoms in the SCA, and the founding Queen of a
Kingdom that had been a Principality under the Kingdom of which she had
first been Queen. This person has a lot of growing up to do, and if he's
found out, he'll probably be persona non grata in the SCA for a good many
years. Chances are extremely good that we won't be hearing from this person

These things happen. It's sad to say. This thread was begun by someone we
might never know, and in our response, we must take care not to hold anybody
we know accountable for the post's comments. This post did not come from
anybody in Trimaris or from anybody who is seriously interested in the SCA.
My suggestion would be to growl privately, roll our eyes and think "here we
go again," and then just forget about it.

Pax et bonum,
Detlef von Marburg

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, Master Robin, it was a noble effort, I must say. You have my
> respect, but in the end... sigh. I guess we should just take heart
> that the whole kingdom isn't jumping in on this. Right?
> In service,
> Ivo Blackhawk
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Sarapenrose <sarapenrose at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Sorry, Robin, I can't do that. While I may not always agree with Willow,
> she is my sister Rose, and has given her whole life to Ansteorra and the
> SCA. For this cretin to attack her publicly (but, I assume, in the manner of
> all cowards, from the behind the cover of a fake name) is inexcusable and
> reprehensible, and I cannot condone it with my silence.
> >
> > Willow deserves our respect for her part in shaping, for 30 years, all of
> Ansteorra. She is one of the bards who tells our stories, and one of the
> artists who turns our shabby rec halls into glorious mead halls draped with
> tapestries that erase the modern world for us.
> >
> > "Ulric," if you don't want to contribute to one of our own during a time
> of need, or read her posts, which are intended only to help and inform,
> nothing says you have to. I assume your delete button works, just like
> everyone else's does. Feel free to keep your wallet and your heart closed.
> >
> > Willow, your contributions to the kingdom are not unseen, unheard, or
> unremembered. Thank you for everything. We are keeping you in our thoughts
> for a speedy recovery and happier days ahead.
> >
> > Countess Sara Penrose, OL, OP
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >
> > I ask all honorable Ansteorrans who wish to reply to this to do it
> privately. He has shown us how wrong it is to complain in public.
> >
> > In defense of honor and Ansteorra's Queens,
> >
> > Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
> >
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and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?
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