[Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
Liz Wilson
ewilson618 at tx.rr.com
Thu Nov 4 08:39:02 PDT 2010
Budget for SCA activities and transport space for the stuff you bring for a
more period encampment
also really comes into play when you have
children who need garb and items for activities like youth boffer,
or when you are trying to transport four people and their stuff to Gulf
Wars in a mini van!
It's a little scary in bad weather when there's a lot of stuff on the roof,
and we're not sure Ye Olde Minivan (less than 100,000 miles, still alive and
kicking) is up to pulling a trailer.
I've considered doing wooden chairs but I'm concerned
about the space for four chairs at overnight events since the van is already
full.
Obviously chair covers would make more sense for us although right now I
just bring fabric
to drape over the chairs. And I have a whole tub already that is full of
covers and bedding!
It seems like I pare down in one direction and then add other stuff in
another.
We still haven't invested in the period tents in part because I think we've
decided that long term we
really would need TWO smaller ones instead of one large one (one for us and
one for the girls).
See transportation and budget issues mentioned above.
We do the best we can but I know we still have a long way to go.
So I think people should be encouraged to gradually evolve to the best of
their ability,
whether that relates to encampments or garb or armor. Hopefully each year
we
can strive to be a little more accurate and we can politely encourage each
other by
setting the best examples we can afford to set.
Christianna
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> 1. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Robert G. Ferrell)
> 2. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Danielle Jennings)
> 3. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Brandon McDermott)
> 4. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Liam Gordon)
> 5. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Richard Threlkeld)
> 6. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Chelsea Durham)
> 7. Legasaltive morality. (Eric W. Brown)
> 8. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (David Whitford)
> 9. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Joseph Percer)
> 10. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Viviana Rowntree)
> 11. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Zach Most)
> 12. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Celestria leDragon)
> 13. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Zach Most)
> 14. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Deborah Wade)
> 15. Re: Legasaltive morality. (rose_welch at yahoo.com)
> 16. Virtues (gail young)
> 17. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Brandon McDermott)
> 18. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Bill Tait)
> 19. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Susan Tillery)
> 20. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Bill Toscano)
> 21. lost and found from Bryn Gwlad (gail young)
> 22. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Bill Toscano)
> 23. Poetry for Children (Dana Busenbark)
> 24. Re: Herald warrant class at BAM (HerrDetlef)
> 25. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Bill Toscano)
> 26. Re: Bryn Gwlad Fall Baronial (HerrDetlef)
> 27. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Susan Tillery)
> 28. Re: Bryn Gwlad Fall Baronial (His Majesty Ansteorra)
> 29. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Cynthia Whitford)
> 30. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Bill Toscano)
> 31. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Bree Flowers)
> 32. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Traci)
> 33. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (HerrDetlef)
> 34. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Traci)
> 35. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Bill Toscano)
> 36. Re: Legasaltive morality. (Bill Toscano)
> 37. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Irena Fridenberg)
> 38. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Rose)
> 39. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Richard Threlkeld)
> 40. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Sher M)
> 41. Two cent about Armor rule New Age (willowdewisp at juno.com)
> 42. Cry Heralds needed for BAM (Patricia Schmidt)
> 43. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Susan Tillery)
> 44. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Jeffrey)
> 45. Re: Poetry for Children (Catrin ferch Maelgwn)
> 46. Looking good when fighting history (willowdewisp at juno.com)
> 47. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Maria Buchanan)
> 48. Just do it Lisa song "my Fair Lady" (willowdewisp at juno.com)
> 49. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Richard Threlkeld)
> 50. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (John)
> 51. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Tim McDaniel)
> 52. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Stefan li Rous)
> 53. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (James Crouchet)
> 54. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Haraldr Bassi)
> 55. OT-SCA Reference In Novel (ajquig at cableone.net)
> 56. Re: OT-SCA Reference In Novel (James Crouchet)
> 57. Re: Herald warrant class at BAM (Phocas of Bordermarch)
> 58. Re: OT-SCA Reference In Novel (Sydney Winchester)
> 59. Re: Herald warrant class at BAM (HerrDetlef)
> 60. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Chris Zakes)
> 61. College of Heralds Decision Meeting @ BAM (Joseph Percer)
> 62. Re: Looking good when fighting history (Elisabeth B. Zakes)
> 63. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Jasper)
> 64. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (mikea)
> 65. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Cisco Cividanes)
> 66. Re: OT-SCA Reference In Novel (Chelsea Durham)
> 67. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Haraldr Bassi)
> 68. Re: OT-SCA Reference In Novel (Clint Gallon)
> 69. Source for local honey (jwtopp at peoplepc.com)
> 70. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Richard Threlkeld)
> 71. Re: Why aren't we doing this? (Roysen AriManna)
> 72. Re: OT-SCA Reference In Novel (James Crouchet)
> 73. Re: Just do it Lisa song "my Fair Lady" (Chris Lucas)
> 74. OT-SCA Reference In Novel (ajquig at cableone.net)
> 75. OT- Knit Your Bit (SoldierGrrrl)
> 76. Re: [Bryn-gwlad] OT- Knit Your Bit (Ysabeau)
> 77. Re: OT- Knit Your Bit (Magdalena "Dena" Cortez)
> 78. Re: Source for local honey (aurore_gaudin2000 at yahoo.com)
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> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:56:41 -0500
> From: "Robert G. Ferrell" <rgferrell at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> On 11/2/2010 1:24 PM, Traci wrote:
>
>> Yes, our society strives for historical accuracy but it is not 100
>> *required*.
>
> The SCA is not historically accurate. Not even a little bit. At best,
> we are a vague re-creation of a Victorian concept of the idealized
> Middle Ages.
>
> That does not mean individuals within the SCA cannot strive for
> historical accuracy to some extent. Let's be sure we understand the
> distinction between the Society and the individual, however, lest we
> beat our heads against the wall until we swell up and fall over all
> bruised.
>
> Just some advice from an old-timer with scars.
>
> Cynric
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:55:49 -0500
> From: Danielle Jennings <cle0patra.29.85 at googlemail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> Well said!
>
> Speaking as someone who is fairly new (playing just over a year now) The
> main thing I like about our society is that you are allowed to grow into.
> You start out with a t-tunic over jeans, catchers knees and a camp chair
> and
> instead of being criticizing people show you what they have and very
> kindly
> offer to loan you a pattern or show you how it was made. Not all of us
> have
> the space skills or funds to acquire anything other than a simple camp
> chair
> and that (at least in my experience) is ok we are allowed to grow into the
> society as far as we like at our own pace.
>
> When you get right down to it we are all out here to have fun. Personally
> I
> think it is fun to do the research and try my hand at making something
> new.
> The only thing I find more fun is being with my SCA family, doing
> something
> we all enjoy sharing a meal and listening to stories that begin with
> phrases
> like "So we were at Gulf..." and "We had this revel once..." and to be
> honest what we are wearing the furniture around us the catchers knees on
> the
> ground beside us and the cooler in the corner don't even occur to me.
> (except on occasion when I remember that the cooler holds some tasty
> treat.)
>
> I do agree that it is often hard to recognize the new guy. So we should
> consider that before we start to criticize someone's kit. We may know that
> they have been playing since AS 12 but the new guy behind us just sees
> someone nit picking.
>
> Respectfully,
> Pippa
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> Well Said... :-) Can I use that?
> ?
> Lochlan
>
>
>
> From: Robert G. Ferrell rgferrell at gmail.com
>
>
>
> The SCA is not historically accurate.? Not even a little bit.? At best,
> we are a vague re-creation of a Victorian concept of the idealized
> Middle Ages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:12:17 -0500
> From: Liam Gordon <cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> Mornin' Everyone!
>
> I'm probably going to step on a hornets nest here. And for doing so, my
> apologies.
>
> Smoking... *gasp* I'm a smoker. I tend to be a very considerate smoker.
> I tend to walk away from groups of people and even get down wind from
> folks
> if I can. I even go so far as to ensure that if the event is being held
> inside, I walk a distance away from the door to the building.
>
> In other words, I am already away from the primary areas of the event.
> I've
> had people ask me to walk away from them a bit farther because they're
> allergic to the smoke. Ok, fine. I don't have a problem with that.
> Those
> who have asked me in the past, I tend to remember them and don't smoke
> around them.
>
> But, when our events are outside, we don't smoke in the middle of court.
> All the smokers that I know will go outside the fringe of court, usually a
> good enough distance away but are still able to hear what's going on.
> Most
> of the smokers that I know also don't smoke right by the list field.
> They'll go behind list field pavilions to a point far enough away that the
> smoke won't bother folks but can still see the list.
>
> I do understand that there are those smokers who aren't as considerate as
> others. That is where those of us who are considerate should take a
> moment
> and help them out, guiding them to a more considerate position/spot.
>
> What else can we do other than not smoking at the event? If that is the
> case, then maybe alcohol should be banned from events also (except those
> alcohols that are entered into A&S competitions).
>
> Just my two-pence,
>
> Liam
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> > Oh, and while we are at it, can we also address flash photography and
>> > smoking in the primary areas of our events? I was somewhat disappointed
>> at War of Ages to be sitting in a wonderful open barn structure only to
>> be regularly blinded by flashes, when the area had been reasonably well
>> lit
>> with an indirect spotlight on the upper balcony.
>> >
>> > Haraldr
>> >
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> --
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> materiari?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:31:09 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> Very good analysis. As a photographer of things SCA I have tried just
> about
> everything to get unobtrusive pictures. Good pictures require a lot of
> light. Some of the newer semi-pro cameras have really high ISO ("film
> speed"), but they are really expensive ($5,000-8,000 for the body plus
> lenses) and you will get noise in the pictures at the really high end ISO.
> Those larger lenses with higher apertures are generally expensive also. My
> main lens costs $900 and I know people in the SCA with $5,000 lenses.
>
> I once shot a whole evening of court without a flash at the request of the
> Crown. I used a Vibration Reduction (VR) lens that was pretty fast and an
> ISO of 3200. I got maybe 1% usable pictures. They looked OK on my 2"
> display, but when viewed in as pictures later, they were all blurry. I had
> thought the VR lens would help and it did reduce the blur from camera
> shake,
> but the blur from moving people was still there. A tripod has the same
> problem.
>
> If you want modern, quality pictures of you or your friends when they get
> awards or other recognition in dark courts, then you will have to put up
> with modern flashes.
>
> In service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>> I can address some of the video/photographic aspect of this. While
>> video is lovely to have, the pictures you can pull from a video are
>> usually of abysmal quaility and not something to hang on the wall.
>> Normal jpegs are usually 300 dpi, and video frames are 72 dpi (this is
>> standard video. I don't have the conversion rates for HD). 72 dpi is
>> acceptable for a picture about an inch square.
>>
>> Also, what is considered reasonably well lit for general viewing is
>> usually not going to work for photography. Generally, the further
>> away from the action you are, the more light you need. If you're
>> shooting from any distance in a darker court, you're going to end up
>> with blurry or grainy photographs. Using a tripod can help with shake
>> issues and reduce blur on the photographers end, but unless your
>> subjects are wiling to stand perfectly still for you, your shots are
>> going to blur. It's highly frustrating because onboard flashes on P&S
>> cameras aren't usually strong enough and hotshoe flashes are annoying
>> to bystanders.
>>
>> If you want to get good shots in lower light, you need to be up in the
>> middle of the action, and that's not usually possible in court.
>> (Well, it is, but it's not usually considered acceptable.)
>>
>> You can compensate with a higher "film" speed, but after a long
>> exposure or a few croppings, you end up with a ton of digital trash in
>> your photographs. (By digital trash, I mean those green and purple
>> pixels you see when you blow up dark pictures.)
>>
>> Faster lenses with bigger apertures are helpful, though.
>>
>> However, here are some links to tutorials to help out any aspiring
>> photographers:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FpG4t1lro
>>
>> http://photocritic.org/low-light-photography/
>>
>> I hope those help! I know I'm going to be taking notes from that second
> one!
>>
>> In service to Country and Crown,
>> Helene Dalassene
>> Stronghold of Hellsgate
>> --
>> "Whatever their fond sentiments for men and women in uniform, for most
>> Americans the war remains an abstraction - a distant and unpleasant
>> series of news items that do not affect them personally."- Robert
>> Gates, Secretary of Defense.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:35:47 -0500
> From: Chelsea Durham <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> My contribution to this thread: a bunch of medieval literature people
> started the SCA, not medieval historians.
>
> And that's all that she wrote,
>
> -Lady Grainne Kathleen NicPadraig MacDaniel
>
> Son, I never knew there was part of me missing until you were born.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:03:40 -0500
> From: "Eric W. Brown" <Brown.EricW at jobcorps.org>
> To: "ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
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>
> Re: Atlantias "Look Period Dammit" rule:
>
> In short: I'm against it. Legislating that kind of stuff bad, Fixing it
> your self good.
>
> < Caladin blunt speak on , If you can't handle blunt straightforward
> brutally honest speech, exit this message now>
>
> Also I think some plastic looks "okay" whole others looks terrible, so I
> have separate issues with
> The specific wording of the Atlantian law. I think this approach is wrong
> on many levels.
>
> We should attack the Low Hanging fruit, work on the worst offenders first.
> Not set a bar that will drive folks out.
>
> In summation here is what I think the problem is:
>
> 1. We need to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible for newcomers,
> this is critical to growing our game.
> 2. BUT We need to encourage new comers to get out of "Asstastic" armor as
> soon as they can.
> 3. We need to STRONGLY encourage older fighters to hide or replace ugly
> blatantly & modern armor.
>
> My solution All Carrot, no Stick:
>
> 1. Each of you that think legislating this is a good idea, Pick the worst
> most offensive fighter you know.
> And make him garb and armor that can be hidden. Hidden armor is
> good armor, you can get all the sport effectiveness you want and still
> look Seksay! You get what you want, he gets what he wants, win win. If you
> are not _already_ doing this, then you don't care enough about the issue
> for you opinion to be counted IMHO, and you should be ignored
> henceforth.
>
> 2. Legislate to make Fighting awards have a certain minimum understood
> Period kit look. If you can't be a centurion
> If you have exposed Plastic in any color but black, Or as Spun Dome
> Helmet. those 5 year in fighters with Blue Pickle barrel legs will
> magically become motivated to get rid of them or cover them up. IF they
> don't' care about getting a Sable Falcon or a Talon, then we can apply
> rule # 1. A simple as adding to the Charters "a fighter cannot get
> this award if they have blatantly modern kit" Would do an amazing amount
> of good.
>
> <Blunt speak off>
>
> IMHO
>
> Caladin-
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> If you cant a sponser for such, then why not sponser it yourself at some
> event. It dosnt have to be one of the "biggies". A smaller event would
> allow you to work out in your own mind what your really looking for. As
> time goes on, this could become a pet project you choose to do in many
> places as you travel.
> Robert
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Irena Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Irena Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 12:06 PM
>> I have been asking for events to have
>> competitions for out side of the list
>> field for years.? You know, who has the best area set
>> up with as
>> period/period looking area.? I would love to see
>> something like this at
>> crown and other important events; however, I was informed
>> that "WE" do not
>> do anything except crown tourney at that event.? I am
>> not asking for an arts
>> or bardic competition, classes or demos, I am merely
>> wanting to encourage
>> better pagentry on the on lookers end.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Lady Katrine la Esclopiera
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Susan Tillery
>> <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>
>> > If we are going to ask the fighters to improve the
>> look of their gear we
>> > need to speak to the spectators as well.? Do we
>> want to give up our modern
>> > pop up chairs? Or at least cover them with a cloth so
>> they are less
>> > glaringly modern?? AEla
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dalai Lama: Giving is recognized as a virtue in every
>> major religion and in
>> > every civilized society, and it clearly benefits both
>> the giver and the
>> > receiver. The one who receives is relieved from the
>> pangs of want. The one
>> > who gives can take comfort from the joy their gift
>> brings to others.
>> >
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:17:25 -0500
> From: Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
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> While I agree with a large amount of what Sir Caladin has said, I
> think that perhaps
> we should only restrict the period requirement to grant level awards
> and higher. I would expect
> a centurion or Knight to have period armor, go so far as to even
> require it. But the newer fighter
> who is more likely to earn a Falcon or Talon if anything, this should
> perhaps just be encouraged rather
> than made a requirement.
>
> Other than the above, I'm hesitant to tell someone they can't get on
> the list field because I don't like what
> their armor looks like. Not everybody has an endless budget. If we
> start going down this road, how long before
> we start banning dome tents?
>
> Jayme
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Eric W. Brown <Brown.EricW at jobcorps.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Re: Atlantias "Look Period Dammit" rule:
>>
>> In short: I'm against it. Legislating that kind of stuff bad, Fixing it
>> your self good.
>>
>> < Caladin blunt speak on , If you can't handle blunt straightforward
>> brutally honest speech, exit this message now>
>>
>> Also I think some plastic looks "okay" whole others looks terrible, so I
>> have separate issues with
>> The specific wording of the Atlantian law. I think this approach is wrong
>> on many levels.
>>
>> We should attack the Low Hanging fruit, work on the worst offenders
>> first. Not set a bar that will drive folks out.
>>
>> In summation here is what I think the problem is:
>>
>> 1. We need to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible for newcomers,
>> this is critical to growing our game.
>> 2. BUT We need to encourage new comers to get out of "Asstastic" armor as
>> soon as they can.
>> 3. We need to STRONGLY encourage older fighters to hide or replace ugly
>> blatantly & modern armor.
>>
>> My solution All Carrot, no Stick:
>>
>> 1. Each of you that think legislating this is a good idea, Pick the worst
>> most offensive fighter you know.
>> ? ? ? ?And make him garb and armor that can be hidden. Hidden armor is
>> good armor, you can get all the sport ? effectiveness you want and still
>> look Seksay! You get what you want, he gets what he wants, win win. If
>> you ? ? are not _already_ doing this, then you don't care enough about
>> the issue for you opinion to be counted IMHO, ? ?and you should be
>> ignored henceforth.
>>
>> 2. Legislate to make Fighting awards have a certain minimum understood
>> Period kit look. If you can't be a centurion
>> ? ? ? ?If you have exposed Plastic in any color but black, Or as Spun
>> Dome Helmet. ?those 5 year in fighters with ? ? ?Blue Pickle barrel legs
>> will ? ?magically become motivated to get rid of them or cover them up.
>> IF they don't' ?care about getting a Sable Falcon or a Talon, then we can
>> apply rule # 1. A simple as adding to the Charters "a ? ? ? ? fighter
>> cannot get this award if they have blatantly modern kit" Would do an
>> amazing amount of good.
>>
>> <Blunt speak off>
>>
>> IMHO
>>
>> Caladin-
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Joseph M. Percer, AAS, LP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:32:04 -0500
> From: Viviana Rowntree <tinygypsylady at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
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> 2 additional pence...
>
> This isn't a cheap "hobby". Most especially when some of us cannot help
> ourselves and "dabble" in many of the fine arts of our time. For
> instance,
> I wish to have money to buy a period pavillion. But, alas that isn't in
> my
> near future, much less one that fits in a compact car.
>
> Similarly, armour is a challenge. I looked at fighting a few years back -
> one of the reasons I didn't persue it was I was told "armour for your size
> will be expensive". How does one do armour that is cost effective for a
> "new" existing player and yet fit?
>
> Can I make armour? Yep but what if I suck at combat archery?
>
> I agree with what Sir Caladin suggested. If I ever get "good enough" to
> be
> more than just a fighter on the field, then I will strive to be as period
> as
> I can be within the financial constraints that I have. Just as I try to do
> with all else in our group.
>
> Its a grey area we speak of. I applaud Atlantia if this ruling works for
> their Kingdom and they do not "run off" new people. And that would be my
> query to them... how much does their Kingdom grow? And is this rule
> hindering said growth?
>
> Viviana
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:34:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Zach Most <clermont1348 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <934530.55384.qm at web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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>
> Appearance, particularly over such a wide range of time and place as we
> study,
> is a difficult thing to legislate. Atlantia's approach has gotten rid of
> some
> of the most glaring issues and fostered a culture that values aesthetics
> to some
> degree, though it's also created an Atlantian look which is not as much
> medieval
> as it is "not-modern". I don't fault them for wanting a concrete
> minimum bar
> to jump, but I'd push it in a different direction: you should look like a
> specific example from our time period. Maybe their first attempt will
> look like
> a kindergartener's scribble, maybe they haven't figured out how to hide
> their
> leg armour in their viking kit yet, maybe they don't have the right
> gauntlets,
> but it should be an attempt at making a specific rig.
> Cathal is right on many points. We have to be the change we wish to see
> in
> the world. Motivating with praise, rewards, by example and encouragement
> will
> all help. Creating more opportunity where your appearance matters can
> help a
> great deal. The 14th century deed at Gulf War has inspired me to improve
> my
> harness because there armour is counted more like how armour functioned,
> and
> it's appreciated by that crowd.
>
>
> To address Haraldr's points- we have more progress to make on the
> furniture
> front than on any other. Simple benches and 6 board chests aren't
> amazingly
> difficult to make and they'd dramatically improve the look of our lyst
> fields.
>
> Gaston de Clermont
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Clint Gallon <cgallon at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 7:05:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>
> I hesitate to do ANYTHING to discourage fighters from the field. I like
> having new people out there and learning how to play the game. The best
> way
> for people to get this look and have our game be better is to lead by
> example. Show the new fighters and the known world that you can have a
> period kit and still compete at the highest levels. Keep in mind too that
> nobody starts out with a fully period kit, I have yet to see a newbie
> decked
> out like Sir Gaston (14th century period kit). They ususally work their
> way
> from in-expensive plastic covered with a tunic to something that looks
> more
> period. And its usually a piece at a time (vambraces, chest protection,
> legs, shoes). Getting a new fighter on the field and in his/her own kit
> is
> really when you have them hooked and they will continue to play. If you
> really want to get people to look more authentic I suggest groups or
> people
> give out authentic items to tourney winners and as largess. If you want
> the
> fighters to look more authentic take some action. :)
>
> -- In Service,
> HL Cathal Finn O'Briain CSS
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Those requirements seem rather discouraging, especially for newer or
>> infrequent fighters. Even worse, they're fairly open-ended, so the
>> 'rules'
>> might change depending on the Crown, the marshals, the event, and so on.
>> It
>> seems problematic on the surface.
>>
>> Does anyone know how Atlantia's newcomers and infrequent fighters feel
>> about this? Did various Crowns and marshals have to get together to
>> decide
>> what was acceptable, and what was not, or is it truly open-ended? In
>> other
>> words, how did it actually work out for them?
>>
>>
>>
>> -R
>>
>> If you give a child a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a child
>> to
>> fish, you feed him for a lifetime. But if you teach a child to learn, you
>> feed him for a lifetime and he doesn't have to just eat fish. :)
>>
>> --- On Mon, 11/1/10, deddy2 at austin.rr.com <deddy2 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: deddy2 at austin.rr.com <deddy2 at austin.rr.com>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 10:32 PM
>>
>> I found this on ArmourArchive.org and thought it could spur some
>> discussion
>> for our kingdom.
>>
>> http://marshal.atlantia.sca.org/training/guidance-modern.php
>>
>> We have the knowledge and skills in our kingdom, money has been proven
>> time
>> and again to be a non-issue, and it would vastly improve the look of what
>> we
>> do. IIRC, then-King Inman called for no more carpet armor on the field
>> and
>> it was made so.
>>
>> What does Ansteorra think?
>>
>> Grace and Peace,
>>
>> Jovian
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>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:42:58 -0500
> From: Celestria leDragon <celestria.ledragon at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
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> As for smoking the smokers that I know or know of including myself walk
> away
> and either join other smokers or stand away from the activities and
> people.
> It is some of the non-smokers that come into the space we created out of
> respect to smoke that get indignant about smoking. I have been to an event
> that was held in a park where you could not smoke on their property so we
> just walked across the street. It was no problem.
>
> Flash has always been an issue with some courts. It's hard to get good
> pictures without it and we all want the cool pictures. There is no easy
> solution to this especially at outdoor events, even indoors during court
> most lights are shut down.
>
> If we become too right-wing about trying to be period then the less new
> comers will stay and play. Without new blood there can not be growth and
> younger hands to carry on. We are suppose to be a "Creative" group. We do
> not re-enact therefore we can be more relaxed about what and how we do
> things. Yes it's nice to cover chairs and hide coolers under tables or
> with
> cloth. But if a new person is not taught this simple act then we as a
> Society has failed that person and have no right to criticize and at times
> we need to remind the not so new member.
>
> There are many reasons people are drawn to the SCA, be it for the
> fighting,
> A&S or just to wear cool clothes. We all play at different levels, with
> different budgets and different levels of being period. But we all come
> together as family to enjoy this game we play, some family members are not
> as cool as others but we are all family.
>
> As with life if you want respect then you need to show respect no matter
> which side of the fence you are on.
>
> --
> In Service,
> Lady Celestria Monelyght leDragon
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Liam Gordon
> <cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Mornin' Everyone!
>>
>> I'm probably going to step on a hornets nest here. And for doing so, my
>> apologies.
>>
>> Smoking... *gasp* I'm a smoker. I tend to be a very considerate
>> smoker.
>> I tend to walk away from groups of people and even get down wind from
>> folks
>> if I can. I even go so far as to ensure that if the event is being held
>> inside, I walk a distance away from the door to the building.
>>
>> In other words, I am already away from the primary areas of the event.
>> I've
>> had people ask me to walk away from them a bit farther because they're
>> allergic to the smoke. Ok, fine. I don't have a problem with that.
>> Those
>> who have asked me in the past, I tend to remember them and don't smoke
>> around them.
>>
>> But, when our events are outside, we don't smoke in the middle of court.
>> All the smokers that I know will go outside the fringe of court, usually
>> a
>> good enough distance away but are still able to hear what's going on.
>> Most
>> of the smokers that I know also don't smoke right by the list field.
>> They'll go behind list field pavilions to a point far enough away that
>> the
>> smoke won't bother folks but can still see the list.
>>
>> I do understand that there are those smokers who aren't as considerate as
>> others. That is where those of us who are considerate should take a
>> moment
>> and help them out, guiding them to a more considerate position/spot.
>>
>> What else can we do other than not smoking at the event? If that is the
>> case, then maybe alcohol should be banned from events also (except those
>> alcohols that are entered into A&S competitions).
>>
>> Just my two-pence,
>>
>> Liam
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:49:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Zach Most <clermont1348 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <902588.77076.qm at web120509.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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>
> By "The SCA" you mean that corporation in Milpitas, right? Because "The
> SCA" I
> hang out with on weekends does a bunch of historical stuff.
> Gaston
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert G. Ferrell <rgferrell at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 1:56:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>
> On 11/2/2010 1:24 PM, Traci wrote:
>
>> Yes, our society strives for historical accuracy but it is not 100
>> *required*.
>
> The SCA is not historically accurate. Not even a little bit. At best,
> we are a vague re-creation of a Victorian concept of the idealized
> Middle Ages.
>
> That does not mean individuals within the SCA cannot strive for
> historical accuracy to some extent. Let's be sure we understand the
> distinction between the Society and the individual, however, lest we
> beat our heads against the wall until we swell up and fall over all
> bruised.
>
> Just some advice from an old-timer with scars.
>
> Cynric
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Deborah Wade <rhiannonferchcian at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
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> My 2 Cents as a longtime player.
>
> An attempt at 16th Century clothing etc.? and Courtesy to all.?
> I love the look and feel of a truely period encampment, clothing and
> armor, but
> realistically this isn't going to happen for everyone.?
> I have thrilled to see people set that as a long term goal and gradually
> as
> finances, time and ability allow them to move in that direction.??
> Many of us chose which areas will be more period and which will be less in
> keeping with the ideal.??
>
> Take time to complement those?who impress you and show?others what they
> have?done?to move toward a more?"Period" look?and feel with their personal
> kit.?
> If someone is struggling to make the next step and you know how to help
> them
> along either by providing information about resources or by showing them
> yourself then take the time.?
>
>
> Everyone will benefits when we pay it forward and teach others.
>
> Rhiannon ferch Cian
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:05:56 +0000
> From: rose_welch at yahoo.com
> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID:
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>
> It's not just means that keep people from participating in the Period
> Parade. You also have to care about those aspects of history.
>
> For instance, my love lies in in the paper arts and sciences. I don't care
> about costuming (What's the point of nice garb, if you're just going to
> get paint on it, anyway?), I think period tents are neat but more money
> that I care to spend (Do you know how much gold foil and quality goauche I
> can get for the cost of one French bell?), and my nylon camp chair is
> _comfortable_, so why should I have to spend time and money and effort
> making sure that my clothing, tent, and chairs are perfect?
>
> I don't mind making an attempt - and I sit in the back at court and feast,
> and keep my dome tent in areas with other dome tents - but I'm not going
> to go crazy over it, either.
>
> I will say that anyone who wants me to cover my nylon chair is welcome to
> give me a cover, and I'll use it. Anyone who doesn't like my garb can make
> me new garb. If it's comfortable and I like it, I'll wear it. And so on...
>
> In other words, if you want me to more perfectly recreate a historical
> artist, then you are going to have to more perfectly recreate a historical
> patron. :D
>
>
> -R
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com>
> Sender: ansteorra-bounces+rose_welch=yahoo.com at lists.ansteorra.orgDate:
> Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:17:25
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
>
> While I agree with a large amount of what Sir Caladin has said, I
> think that perhaps
> we should only restrict the period requirement to grant level awards
> and higher. I would expect
> a centurion or Knight to have period armor, go so far as to even
> require it. But the newer fighter
> who is more likely to earn a Falcon or Talon if anything, this should
> perhaps just be encouraged rather
> than made a requirement.
>
> Other than the above, I'm hesitant to tell someone they can't get on
> the list field because I don't like what
> their armor looks like. Not everybody has an endless budget. If we
> start going down this road, how long before
> we start banning dome tents?
>
> Jayme
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Eric W. Brown <Brown.EricW at jobcorps.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Re: Atlantias "Look Period Dammit" rule:
>>
>> In short: I'm against it. Legislating that kind of stuff bad, Fixing it
>> your self good.
>>
>> < Caladin blunt speak on , If you can't handle blunt straightforward
>> brutally honest speech, exit this message now>
>>
>> Also I think some plastic looks "okay" whole others looks terrible, so I
>> have separate issues with
>> The specific wording of the Atlantian law. I think this approach is wrong
>> on many levels.
>>
>> We should attack the Low Hanging fruit, work on the worst offenders
>> first. Not set a bar that will drive folks out.
>>
>> In summation here is what I think the problem is:
>>
>> 1. We need to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible for newcomers,
>> this is critical to growing our game.
>> 2. BUT We need to encourage new comers to get out of "Asstastic" armor as
>> soon as they can.
>> 3. We need to STRONGLY encourage older fighters to hide or replace ugly
>> blatantly & modern armor.
>>
>> My solution All Carrot, no Stick:
>>
>> 1. Each of you that think legislating this is a good idea, Pick the worst
>> most offensive fighter you know.
>> ? ? ? ?And make him garb and armor that can be hidden. Hidden armor is
>> good armor, you can get all the sport ? effectiveness you want and still
>> look Seksay! You get what you want, he gets what he wants, win win. If
>> you ? ? are not_already_ doing this, then you don't care enough about the
>> issue for you opinion to be counted IMHO, ? ?and you should be ignored
>> henceforth.
>>
>> 2. Legislate to make Fighting awards have a certain minimum understood
>> Period kit look. If you can't be a centurion
>> ? ? ? ?If you have exposed Plastic in any color but black, Or as Spun
>> Dome Helmet. ?those 5 year in fighters with ? ? ?Blue Pickle barrel legs
>> will ? ?magically become motivated to get rid of them or cover them up.
>> IF they don't' ?care about getting a Sable Falcon or a Talon, then we can
>> apply rule # 1. A simple as adding to the Charters "a ? ? ? ? fighter
>> cannot get this award if they have blatantly modern kit" Would do an
>> amazing amount of good.
>>
>> <Blunt speak off>
>>
>> IMHO
>>
>> Caladin-
>>
>>
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>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: gail young <gwynethb63 at yahoo.com>
> To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: "Inc. Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Virtues
> Message-ID: <137688.99449.qm at web53501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> The following were recognized at Bryn Gwlad's Fall Baronial:
>
> Sir Gaston de Clermont for Franchise
> Sir John of Severn for Honesty
> Lady Marita for Courage
> Lady Ilariia for Generousity
> Centurion Maelgwyn Dda for Courtesy
> Baron Avery for Faith
> Jarl Hrafn for Prowess
>
> We appreciate the virtue they bring to our Society.
> gwyneth
> steward Bryn Gwlad Tournament of Virtue
> 2010
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID: <346990.23440.qm at web45101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Well come out and try the loaner gear. There is plenty of it. :-)
> (Shameless Practice Plug)
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Viviana Rowntree <tinygypsylady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Viviana Rowntree <tinygypsylady at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 3:32 PM
>
>
> 2 additional pence...
>
> This isn't a cheap "hobby". Most especially when some of us cannot help
> ourselves and "dabble" in many of the fine arts of our time.? For
> instance,
> I wish to have money to buy a period pavillion.? But, alas that isn't in
> my
> near future, much less one that fits in a compact car.
>
> Similarly, armour is a challenge.? I looked at fighting a few years back -
> one of the reasons I didn't persue it was I was told "armour for your size
> will be expensive".? How does one do armour that is cost effective for a
> "new" existing player and yet fit?
>
> Can I make armour? Yep but what if I suck at combat archery?
>
> I agree with what Sir Caladin suggested.? If I ever get "good enough" to
> be
> more than just a fighter on the field, then I will strive to be as period
> as
> I can be within the financial constraints that I have. Just as I try to do
> with all else in our group.
>
> Its a grey area we speak of.? I applaud Atlantia if this ruling works for
> their Kingdom and they do not "run off" new people.? And that would be my
> query to them... how much does their Kingdom grow?? And is this rule
> hindering said growth?
>
> Viviana
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:16:47 -0700
> From: Bill Tait <arwemakere at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
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> Greetings all,
>
> Up here in the far frozen northern reaches of An Tir, in the Principality
> of
> Tir Righ (British Columbia, Canada) we do have a law regarding the use of
> modern materials and sports equipment. I do not believe it has impeded
> anyone from fighting at events. It may mean they get help sewing a tabard
> /
> fighting tunic and baggy pants to cover the blue plastic legs. The
> warfield
> certainly looks better without the armored Smurf factor.
>
> http://tirrigh.org/library/laws/Tir%20Righ%20Laws%202009%20Dec.pdf
>
> We have also had Crown Tourneys where there have been specific armor /
> persona requirements, as well as "no visible modern stuff". This ensures
> there are no heater-wielding Vikings, or Samurai using centerboss round
> shields. I have only heard of few occasions where a fighter was told "Umm,
> no, your armor and weapons do not match your persona". It may make it more
> challenging for Joe Newbie to enter the List, but it IS Crown afterall. An
> Tir is home to some very large Crown Lists; I have seen 110+ fighters in
> the
> list. Could you imagine how bad it could look if half of them were in blue
> plastic armor?
>
> I have looked back at some of my earliest fighting photos, and I cringe.
> It
> never occurred to me to wear the ugly orange kneepads _under_ the pants...
> No one suggested it, we didn't have a rule. I would have certainly
> benefited
> from either.
>
> We also have some very tight restrictions on smoking at events; not on
> Merchant's Row, the Erics, or at Court. Some events further restrict it
> based on fire danger (only in camps, butts disposed properly, all common
> sense stuff).
>
> The Atlantian rules do seem to micro-manage what is allowed, rather than
> allowing the group to self-regulate. I think a softer middle ground would
> work well to inspire and guide a better appearance than force it.
>
> HL William Arwemakere
> Archery Champion, Bordermarch Ansteorra
> An Tir
>
>
> -yes, that WIlliam -
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM, <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It's not just means that keep people from participating in the Period
>> Parade. You also have to care about those aspects of history.
>>
>> For instance, my love lies in in the paper arts and sciences. I don't
>> care
>> about costuming (What's the point of nice garb, if you're just going to
>> get
>> paint on it, anyway?), I think period tents are neat but more money that
>> I
>> care to spend (Do you know how much gold foil and quality goauche I can
>> get
>> for the cost of one French bell?), and my nylon camp chair is
>> _comfortable_,
>> so why should I have to spend time and money and effort making sure that
>> my
>> clothing, tent, and chairs are perfect?
>>
>> I don't mind making an attempt - and I sit in the back at court and
>> feast,
>> and keep my dome tent in areas with other dome tents - but I'm not going
>> to
>> go crazy over it, either.
>>
>> I will say that anyone who wants me to cover my nylon chair is welcome to
>> give me a cover, and I'll use it. Anyone who doesn't like my garb can
>> make
>> me new garb. If it's comfortable and I like it, I'll wear it. And so
>> on...
>>
>> In other words, if you want me to more perfectly recreate a historical
>> artist, then you are going to have to more perfectly recreate a
>> historical
>> patron. :D
>>
>>
>> -R
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com>
>> Sender: ansteorra-bounces+rose_welch=yahoo.com at lists.ansteorra.orgDate:
>> Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:17:25
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <
>> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
>>
>> While I agree with a large amount of what Sir Caladin has said, I
>> think that perhaps
>> we should only restrict the period requirement to grant level awards
>> and higher. I would expect
>> a centurion or Knight to have period armor, go so far as to even
>> require it. But the newer fighter
>> who is more likely to earn a Falcon or Talon if anything, this should
>> perhaps just be encouraged rather
>> than made a requirement.
>>
>> Other than the above, I'm hesitant to tell someone they can't get on
>> the list field because I don't like what
>> their armor looks like. Not everybody has an endless budget. If we
>> start going down this road, how long before
>> we start banning dome tents?
>>
>> Jayme
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Eric W. Brown <Brown.EricW at jobcorps.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Re: Atlantias "Look Period Dammit" rule:
>> >
>> > In short: I'm against it. Legislating that kind of stuff bad, Fixing it
>> your self good.
>> >
>> > < Caladin blunt speak on , If you can't handle blunt straightforward
>> brutally honest speech, exit this message now>
>> >
>> > Also I think some plastic looks "okay" whole others looks terrible, so
>> > I
>> have separate issues with
>> > The specific wording of the Atlantian law. I think this approach is
>> > wrong
>> on many levels.
>> >
>> > We should attack the Low Hanging fruit, work on the worst offenders
>> first. Not set a bar that will drive folks out.
>> >
>> > In summation here is what I think the problem is:
>> >
>> > 1. We need to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible for
>> > newcomers,
>> this is critical to growing our game.
>> > 2. BUT We need to encourage new comers to get out of "Asstastic" armor
>> > as
>> soon as they can.
>> > 3. We need to STRONGLY encourage older fighters to hide or replace ugly
>> blatantly & modern armor.
>> >
>> > My solution All Carrot, no Stick:
>> >
>> > 1. Each of you that think legislating this is a good idea, Pick the
>> > worst
>> most offensive fighter you know.
>> > And make him garb and armor that can be hidden. Hidden armor is
>> good armor, you can get all the sport effectiveness you want and still
>> look Seksay! You get what you want, he gets what he wants, win win. If
>> you
>> are not_already_ doing this, then you don't care enough about the issue
>> for you opinion to be counted IMHO, and you should be ignored
>> henceforth.
>> >
>> > 2. Legislate to make Fighting awards have a certain minimum understood
>> Period kit look. If you can't be a centurion
>> > If you have exposed Plastic in any color but black, Or as Spun
>> Dome Helmet. those 5 year in fighters with Blue Pickle barrel legs
>> will magically become motivated to get rid of them or cover them up.
>> IF
>> they don't' care about getting a Sable Falcon or a Talon, then we can
>> apply
>> rule # 1. A simple as adding to the Charters "a fighter cannot
>> get
>> this award if they have blatantly modern kit" Would do an amazing amount
>> of
>> good.
>> >
>> > <Blunt speak off>
>> >
>> > IMHO
>> >
>> > Caladin-
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joseph M. Percer, AAS, LP
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susan Tillery <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID: <116628.3514.qm at web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> Yes, that's where helping each other rather than rule making comes in. I
> don't actually advocate getting rid of the chairs. It would be a losing
> battle; they are too comfortable and too cheap. They were just the most
> obvious example of blatant modernism at list side. A blanket draped over
> the chair would be an improvement. Covers would help them and Dama
> Vyolante has mentioned an article with a pattern. I could see list field
> improved by heraldic displays on chair covers as the new fad. or not.
> Certainly gifting and patronage builds the game.
>
> I do not expect everyone to play to the same level or in the same way. If
> I did I would have quit in disgust years ago. If this is something I care
> about it behooves me to help make it happen. Respecting as I go another's
> right to disagree or opt out, for at times I will do the same. After all
> this is but a game and he who builds the best game wins.
>
> And please keep blessing us with the fruits of your art.
>
> AEla
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, rose_welch at yahoo.com <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: rose_welch at yahoo.com <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
>
>> It's not just means that keep people
>> from participating in the Period Parade. You also have to
>> care about those aspects of history.
>>
>> For instance, my love lies in in the paper arts and
>> sciences. I don't care about costuming (What's the point of
>> nice garb, if you're just going to get paint on it,
>> anyway?), I think period tents are neat but more money that
>> I care to spend (Do you know how much gold foil and quality
>> goauche I can get for the cost of one French bell?), and my
>> nylon camp chair is _comfortable_, so why should I have to
>> spend time and money and effort making sure that my
>> clothing, tent, and chairs are perfect?
>>
>> I don't mind making an attempt - and I sit in the back at
>> court and feast, and keep my dome tent in areas with other
>> dome tents - but I'm not going to go crazy over it, either.
>>
>> I will say that anyone who wants me to cover my nylon chair
>> is welcome to give me a cover, and I'll use it. Anyone who
>> doesn't like my garb can make me new garb. If it's
>> comfortable and I like it, I'll wear it. And so on...
>>
>> In other words, if you want me to more perfectly recreate a
>> historical artist, then you are going to have to more
>> perfectly recreate a historical patron. :D
>>
>>
>> -R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:52:33 -0500
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimmyvMcCPB2LV2rgWKnYo0BjsnTEq3honW31Vew at mail.gmail.com>
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> Caelin:
>
> You wrote:
>
> *****
> If you want modern, quality pictures of you or your friends when they get
> awards or other recognition in dark courts, then you will have to put up
> with modern flashes.
> *****
>
> In my mind it's everyone else in court who has to deal with the mood being
> broken.
>
> I think this is one we just have to say, OK, so I didn't get pics.
>
> (Most indoor court pics give you the person's butt anyway. I like outdoor
> courts where I can get behind the thrones.
>
> Liam
>
> PS: To everyone, remember, I am Eastern born and bred, and we just don't
> take flash photos in court. It's in EK Law, and it's usually followed. I
> am
> a product of my upbringing. I think flash spoils the ambiance.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: gail young <gwynethb63 at yahoo.com>
> To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: "Inc. Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] lost and found from Bryn Gwlad
> Message-ID: <619010.60614.qm at web53507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> 2 folding chairs
> 1 bag chair
> 2 rapier jackets (?) I think
> 1 half gauntlet
> 2 water coolers
>
>
> I will be at Coronation. Please contact me privately and I will arrange
> to get
> you anything you have lost.
> gwyneth
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:19:41 -0500
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID:
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>
> Your Lordship William:
>
> You wrote:
>
> *****
> It may make it more challenging for Joe Newbie to enter the List, but it
> IS
> Crown afterall.
> *****
>
> Interkingdom anthropology. In some kingdoms, like the East, everyone is
> encouraged to enter Crown. That makes the winner a more true winner.
>
> In fact, our current king changed the rules this year to go to a
> round-robin
> then into quaterfinals so people would get more bouts and come back.
>
> That said, as per the new society earl marshal's rules, everyone's plastic
> (except for the nice stuff like Samurais) was covered with tunics.
>
> Liam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:34:13 -0500
> From: Dana Busenbark <danab-steppes at earthlink.net>
> To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA Inc." <steppes at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: "Inc. Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>,
> TwinMoons-L at ondercin.com
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Poetry for Children
> Message-ID: <FBDCD902-E26F-4EAB-BEBC-E2A75635C9B9 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Does anyone know of a place that has poetry written for the Renaissance
> that would have children in mind? I'm having a hard time finding something
> to use. I have my anchor piece for the Class project, Crispin by Avi, I
> need a Poem, a Short Story, a Non-fiction work, music, art, film clip
> (going to use a youtube sca fight video :), and an interdisciplinary text
> that is going to be Daily Life in Renaissance Italy.
>
>
> Fiona the Needleworker
> a.k.a. Fionnbharr le Nedlere
> m.k.a. Dana Busenbark
>
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:56:33 -0500
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
> Message-ID:
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> If there IS a herald's warranting class at BAM, SIGN ME UP! :-)
>
> Detlef v. M
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Salut cozyns,
>>
>> No, but I can think of a few cases where that would be a warranted
>> command,
>> however.
>>
>> En Lyonel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would someone be kind enough to explain warranting? I've never heard the
>>> term used in the context of heralding, and my first thought was an image
>>> of
>>> the queen yelling "off with their heads"... Somehow I don't think that
>>> is
>>> right.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brett Chandler-Finch <naturemakeswell at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:23 AM
>>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
>>>
>>> Is there going to be a herald warranting class at BAM?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Brett Chandler-Finch
>>> The physician heals, Nature makes well.
>>>
>>> 8401 Treehouse Ln.
>>> Austin, TX 78749
>>> (512) 703-0669
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>
>
> --
> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
> and what does the LORD require of you
> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
> and to walk humbly with your God?
> --Micah 6:8
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:59:42 -0500
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimckqEwb0mRbEwNt5bE6eHRg=NWEV+RHQcUP-+Z at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Your Excellency:
>
> You wrote:
>
> *****
> Respectfully as well; I for one *strongly* disagree on the point of 'No
> flash photography'. Yes, the flash can be disconcerting at times but I
> think the importance of getting the photo far outweighs the disturbance.
> *****
>
> I take exactly the other side. I think the importance of the ambiance of
> court and the Medieval feeling is far more important than photos of the
> event.
>
> Again, this is how I was raised,
>
> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting my
> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of other
> people.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:05:52 -0500
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Bryn Gwlad Fall Baronial
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTin64OYxb0twBsQ=j6YLARC_zPThZqFNa+ZRa4hJ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Mistress Gwyneth, I wanted personally to congratulate you on your court
> heraldry Saturday evening. I know what a daunting task that can be, and
> you
> acquitted yourself beautifully.
>
> There were times during court, in fact, when I wanted to yell out "GIVE
> THAT
> HERALD A RAISE!", but I couldn't time it correctly without interfering in
> the just rewards of attention that the award recipients were receiving.
> I'm
> hoping you'll get a chance to herald for Their Royal Highnesses during
> their
> reign as King and Queen, so I can blurt it out when the time is right.
>
> Keep up the good work! And thanks for putting on a fantabulous event!
>
> And to Their Majesties and Their Royal Highnesses: GIVE THAT HERALD A
> RAISE!
> <G>
>
> Detlef von Marburg
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM, gail young <gwynethb63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to try and thank everyone for all their help this weekend.
>> I apologize in advance if I forget anyone.
>> To Grishka for working tirelessly on sanitation, Sabina for arranging
>> A&S,
>> Isabella for a delicious feast, Saundra for running gate and organizing
>> servers,
>> Lord Lazlo and Don Dore for running the chivalric and rapier list and
>> Lady
>> Gretchen for thinking up the idea we used for the tournement format.
>> Thanks to
>> Lazlo also for keeping our hill safe and Lord William for the best
>> website
>> EVER. Thanks to the Guard, particularly Captain Will<G> for court
>> setups,
>> clean
>> up and feast transition. Lord Corbin for running a Youth Rapier list and
>> Lady
>> Illaria for counting virtue points. For Lady Magdelina, for making site
>> tokens
>> and clean up, Master Max who served Nobles luncheon and Mistress Siobhan
>> for
>> helping until she came down with chick pox the day before the event<G>,
>> Lady
>> Kathrine for running archery, and my right hand, who I could not have
>> made
>> it
>> without, Lord Goldweard of St. Golias for doing anything I needed. For
>> my
>> Baron
>> and Baroness, especially my dear Baroness who was sick this weekend,
>> thank
>> you
>> for sharing your last Fall BG in this role with all of us. For Their
>> Royal
>> Majesties, thank you for sharing YOUR last full weekend as Crown with us.
>> Baron
>> Niklas thank you for running the Silver and Gold, and for our wonderful
>> host
>> Richard who makes so many memories possible for so many people. To
>> Master
>> Eule
>> for intrusting me with the secrets to Castleton; To Thier Highnesses, you
>> are
>> always a joy to have with us.
>> I would very much appreciate if someone who did not LOOSE the paper with
>> the
>> names of those chosen as the Virtues would post them<G>
>> Ya'll come back now...ya hear?;)
>>
>> gwyneth
>> steward
>> BG Fall Baronial 2010
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
> and what does the LORD require of you
> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
> and to walk humbly with your God?
> --Micah 6:8
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susan Tillery <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <286285.50608.qm at web180004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> I guess we'll have to hire someone to sit in back with a sketchbook then.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures
>> of me getting my
>> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a
>> lot of other
>> people.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:07:32 -0500
> From: His Majesty Ansteorra <king at crown.ansteorra.org>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Bryn Gwlad Fall Baronial
> Message-ID:
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> Noted.
>
> Jean Paul
>
>
> Qui mieux fait, mieux vault.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:05 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mistress Gwyneth, I wanted personally to congratulate you on your court
>> heraldry Saturday evening. I know what a daunting task that can be, and
>> you
>> acquitted yourself beautifully.
>>
>> There were times during court, in fact, when I wanted to yell out "GIVE
>> THAT
>> HERALD A RAISE!", but I couldn't time it correctly without interfering in
>> the just rewards of attention that the award recipients were receiving.
>> I'm
>> hoping you'll get a chance to herald for Their Royal Highnesses during
>> their
>> reign as King and Queen, so I can blurt it out when the time is right.
>>
>> Keep up the good work! And thanks for putting on a fantabulous event!
>>
>> And to Their Majesties and Their Royal Highnesses: GIVE THAT HERALD A
>> RAISE!
>> <G>
>>
>> Detlef von Marburg
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM, gail young <gwynethb63 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wanted to try and thank everyone for all their help this weekend.
>> > I apologize in advance if I forget anyone.
>> > To Grishka for working tirelessly on sanitation, Sabina for arranging
>> A&S,
>> > Isabella for a delicious feast, Saundra for running gate and organizing
>> > servers,
>> > Lord Lazlo and Don Dore for running the chivalric and rapier list and
>> Lady
>> > Gretchen for thinking up the idea we used for the tournement format.
>> > Thanks to
>> > Lazlo also for keeping our hill safe and Lord William for the best
>> website
>> > EVER. Thanks to the Guard, particularly Captain Will<G> for court
>> setups,
>> > clean
>> > up and feast transition. Lord Corbin for running a Youth Rapier list
>> > and
>> > Lady
>> > Illaria for counting virtue points. For Lady Magdelina, for making
>> > site
>> > tokens
>> > and clean up, Master Max who served Nobles luncheon and Mistress
>> > Siobhan
>> > for
>> > helping until she came down with chick pox the day before the
>> > event<G>,
>> > Lady
>> > Kathrine for running archery, and my right hand, who I could not have
>> made
>> > it
>> > without, Lord Goldweard of St. Golias for doing anything I needed. For
>> my
>> > Baron
>> > and Baroness, especially my dear Baroness who was sick this weekend,
>> thank
>> > you
>> > for sharing your last Fall BG in this role with all of us. For Their
>> Royal
>> > Majesties, thank you for sharing YOUR last full weekend as Crown with
>> > us.
>> > Baron
>> > Niklas thank you for running the Silver and Gold, and for our wonderful
>> > host
>> > Richard who makes so many memories possible for so many people. To
>> Master
>> > Eule
>> > for intrusting me with the secrets to Castleton; To Thier Highnesses,
>> > you
>> > are
>> > always a joy to have with us.
>> > I would very much appreciate if someone who did not LOOSE the paper
>> > with
>> > the
>> > names of those chosen as the Virtues would post them<G>
>> > Ya'll come back now...ya hear?;)
>> >
>> > gwyneth
>> > steward
>> > BG Fall Baronial 2010
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
>> and what does the LORD require of you
>> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
>> and to walk humbly with your God?
>> --Micah 6:8
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:12:29 -0500
> From: "Cynthia Whitford" <simonevalery at comcast.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <8AF2C61F1A36456D8A8D9ACE4DD521A2 at Cynthia>
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> reply-type=original
>
>> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting
>> my
>> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of other
>> people.
>
> so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court so we
> can all take good pictures!
>
> regards,
> Simone :-)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:19:58 -0500
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikiKnc0fuGEXrW0KJ5SO0rSAhL7Zy97gOUPiYCi at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Is Hell well-lit?
>
> And will it be when it's frozen over?
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
> <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting
>> my
>>> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of other
>>> people.
>>>
>>
>> so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court so
>> we
>> can all take good pictures!
>>
>> regards,
>> Simone :-)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ansteorra mailing list
>> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:50:36 -0500
> From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID:
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> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your Lordship William:
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> *****
>> It may make it more challenging for Joe Newbie to enter the List, but it
>> IS
>> Crown afterall.
>> *****
>>
>> Interkingdom anthropology. In some kingdoms, like the East, everyone is
>> encouraged to enter Crown. That makes the winner a more true winner.
>
> Actually, An Tir has a fairly wide participation record for Crown. I
> don't think Liam was implying that the standards were higher for the
> skill of the entrants but that everyone has an understanding that this
> is a big deal tournament where pageantry is important. It's not that
> you only enter when you are a serious contender, but that you have a
> respect for the atmosphere that event is trying to create.
>
> That said, there is a wide range in expectations for the entrants at
> Crown tournaments. Ealdormere for example regularly runs lists of a
> mere 12 or so entrants, all of whom only enter when they seriously
> think they might win and are ready and willing to step up to the
> challenge of reigning while in An Tir it's considered okay to enter
> when you only have a snowball's chance in hell just for the experience
> of fighting the best when they're bringing their A game, though if
> hell did freeze over you'd be willing to step up to the challenge of
> ruling of course.
>
> ~Eve
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:01:00 -0500
> From: Traci <traci at crimsonvision.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinEhb5dwJFLNE+wkN3-TU44MSXE6+aRxXnGF6S4 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> That''s fine Liam & probably a small reason why you choose to stay in the
> East. :-D Here in Ansteorra we have some pretty AMAZING photographers &
> speaking as someone who is currently making a collage of some of the
> gorgeous photos taken while she was on the throne as the centerpiece of
> her
> entire home (I've whittled our favorite pictures down to 41 photos so far.
> THAT was hard!) I am thankful to have them.
>
> Memories of a mere second of bright light fade even faster than some of
> the
> important memories themselves; physical photos last A LOT longer.
>
> Anyways, aren't you supposed to be off introducing yourself to someone or
> something? ;)
>
> Elizabeta
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Your Excellency:
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> *****
>> Respectfully as well; I for one *strongly* disagree on the point of 'No
>> flash photography'. Yes, the flash can be disconcerting at times but I
>> think the importance of getting the photo far outweighs the disturbance.
>> *****
>>
>> I take exactly the other side. I think the importance of the ambiance of
>> court and the Medieval feeling is far more important than photos of the
>> event.
>>
>> Again, this is how I was raised,
>>
>> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting
>> my
>> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of other
>> people.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:07:04 -0500
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikMS2q18NuoDL-FBEOS_6qkN0YgjwiiMXYM7FNn at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> My two widow's mites:
>
> Taking pictures during a court ceremony is roughly akin to taking pictures
> during a wedding or other church service. Neither should be considered
> acceptable, considering the solemnity of the moment. Wedding pictures are
> normally taken before or after the service, and peerage pictures could
> also
> be taken before or after the peerage ceremony (or investiture, or what
> have
> you).
>
> I would like to note that, when Her Majesty the Queen of Great
> Britain's coronation was televised in 1953 (the first and, so far, only
> coronation ceremony to be televised), the cameras did not capture the
> moment
> of the monarch's anointing, which is the most sacred moment of the
> coronation service. I don't know if I'm a dinosaur for thinking a little
> respect for the most profound moments in our lives is appropriate, but
> there
> you go. Cameras, even in the twenty-first century, can be pretty invasive,
> and I think they're best left to an off-site (not off the event site, but
> off the court site) photo-op. I'm keeping in mind the wedding portraits
> that
> were taken of the Prince and Princess of Wales and their wedding party in
> 1981, and of the coronation portraits that have been made of Kings and
> Queens at least as far back as Queen Elizabeth I. Such portraits do not
> show
> the actual MOMENT of crowning, or of the marriage ceremony, but they do
> provide a treasured memento of the occasion at hand.
>
> I'm currently reading James Pope-Hennessy's biography of Queen Mary, and
> her
> coronation portrait on the frontispeace is most spectacular. She stands in
> her coronation robes and Garter regalia, wearing the thistles-and-roses
> diamond tiara while her actual crown sits on a drape-covered table at her
> side. Her Brittanic Majesty's coronation portrait in front of a backdrop
> of
> King Henry VII's chapel in Westminster Abbey is also quite
> impressive--again, not showing the exact MOMENT, but definitely recalling
> the event.
>
> ON THE OTHER HAND, if the peer/investee in question wishes the ceremony to
> be photographed, who am I to say it can't be done?
>
> Detlef von Marburg
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is Hell well-lit?
>>
>> And will it be when it's frozen over?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
>> <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
>>
>> > But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting
>> my
>> >> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of
>> >> other
>> >> people.
>> >>
>> >
>> > so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court so
>> we
>> > can all take good pictures!
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Simone :-)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ansteorra mailing list
>> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
> and what does the LORD require of you
> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
> and to walk humbly with your God?
> --Micah 6:8
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:23:20 -0500
> From: Traci <traci at crimsonvision.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikviLFJGOmFbRMPY_ZT+zfj_DJarbg8nKn3JZ+n at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Hrm... I'm pretty sure that most weddings today have photos taken during
> the
> entire ceremony. I know that we had *two* photographers (only counting
> the
> ones we hired & not the friends who brought cameras) taking pics the whole
> time to be sure to get different angles of the very important moments of
> the
> service. Our wedding anniversary is actually next week & I have greatly
> been enjoying looking back at those moments.
>
> I do agree though that it should be up to the Peer if they want photos but
> ultimately Their Majesties of course.
>
> One more thing as it has been noted several times during this
> conversaition;
> the SCA is not triyng to recreate history perfectly. We are *creating our
> own history.* Not reenactments.
> Elizabeta
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:07 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My two widow's mites:
>>
>> Taking pictures during a court ceremony is roughly akin to taking
>> pictures
>> during a wedding or other church service. Neither should be considered
>> acceptable, considering the solemnity of the moment. Wedding pictures are
>> normally taken before or after the service, and peerage pictures could
>> also
>> be taken before or after the peerage ceremony (or investiture, or what
>> have
>> you).
>>
>> I would like to note that, when Her Majesty the Queen of Great
>> Britain's coronation was televised in 1953 (the first and, so far, only
>> coronation ceremony to be televised), the cameras did not capture the
>> moment
>> of the monarch's anointing, which is the most sacred moment of the
>> coronation service. I don't know if I'm a dinosaur for thinking a little
>> respect for the most profound moments in our lives is appropriate, but
>> there
>> you go. Cameras, even in the twenty-first century, can be pretty
>> invasive,
>> and I think they're best left to an off-site (not off the event site, but
>> off the court site) photo-op. I'm keeping in mind the wedding portraits
>> that
>> were taken of the Prince and Princess of Wales and their wedding party in
>> 1981, and of the coronation portraits that have been made of Kings and
>> Queens at least as far back as Queen Elizabeth I. Such portraits do not
>> show
>> the actual MOMENT of crowning, or of the marriage ceremony, but they do
>> provide a treasured memento of the occasion at hand.
>>
>> I'm currently reading James Pope-Hennessy's biography of Queen Mary, and
>> her
>> coronation portrait on the frontispeace is most spectacular. She stands
>> in
>> her coronation robes and Garter regalia, wearing the thistles-and-roses
>> diamond tiara while her actual crown sits on a drape-covered table at her
>> side. Her Brittanic Majesty's coronation portrait in front of a backdrop
>> of
>> King Henry VII's chapel in Westminster Abbey is also quite
>> impressive--again, not showing the exact MOMENT, but definitely recalling
>> the event.
>>
>> ON THE OTHER HAND, if the peer/investee in question wishes the ceremony
>> to
>> be photographed, who am I to say it can't be done?
>>
>> Detlef von Marburg
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Is Hell well-lit?
>> >
>> > And will it be when it's frozen over?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
>> > <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
>> >
>> > > But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me
>> > > getting
>> > my
>> > >> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of
>> other
>> > >> people.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court
>> > > so
>> > we
>> > > can all take good pictures!
>> > >
>> > > regards,
>> > > Simone :-)
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Ansteorra mailing list
>> > > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ansteorra mailing list
>> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
>> and what does the LORD require of you
>> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
>> and to walk humbly with your God?
>> --Micah 6:8
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ansteorra mailing list
>> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:23:25 -0400
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinpdP1JKj27NNMDiXQAcTRYsZgKcGPuSX7iXFAm at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Yes, Your Excellency.
>
> Of course, Your Excellency.
>
> (I say that a lot you know).
>
> You make good points.
>
> Liam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:25:48 -0400
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Legasaltive morality.
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTing3Zgimdwb33Q0_irwnr8PzFtqTwvOsE=T9uhz at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Eve: Have we had this discussion before?
>
> You seem to understand me very well.
>
> Liam
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Your Lordship William:
>> >
>> > You wrote:
>> >
>> > *****
>> > It may make it more challenging for Joe Newbie to enter the List, but
>> > it
>> IS
>> > Crown afterall.
>> > *****
>> >
>> > Interkingdom anthropology. In some kingdoms, like the East, everyone is
>> > encouraged to enter Crown. That makes the winner a more true winner.
>>
>> Actually, An Tir has a fairly wide participation record for Crown. I
>> don't think Liam was implying that the standards were higher for the
>> skill of the entrants but that everyone has an understanding that this
>> is a big deal tournament where pageantry is important. It's not that
>> you only enter when you are a serious contender, but that you have a
>> respect for the atmosphere that event is trying to create.
>>
>> That said, there is a wide range in expectations for the entrants at
>> Crown tournaments. Ealdormere for example regularly runs lists of a
>> mere 12 or so entrants, all of whom only enter when they seriously
>> think they might win and are ready and willing to step up to the
>> challenge of reigning while in An Tir it's considered okay to enter
>> when you only have a snowball's chance in hell just for the experience
>> of fighting the best when they're bringing their A game, though if
>> hell did freeze over you'd be willing to step up to the challenge of
>> ruling of course.
>>
>> ~Eve
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ansteorra mailing list
>> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:26:56 -0500
> From: Irena Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinjyTUkdDbbBP==FkMCZe3wW41AhBRJa2tM61XV at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I actually event stewarded (if that is a word) an event in Mooneschadowe
> that encouraged just "pagentry" and it was fun. Maybe I will give this
> idea
> a few thoughts. Thanks Robert.
>
> Katrine
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If you cant a sponser for such, then why not sponser it yourself at some
>> event. It dosnt have to be one of the "biggies". A smaller event would
>> allow
>> you to work out in your own mind what your really looking for. As time
>> goes
>> on, this could become a pet project you choose to do in many places as
>> you
>> travel.
>> Robert
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <878509.43717.qm at web110409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I've never been to a wedding where photos were verboten during the
> ceremony. And I've been to alot of weddings... Maybe it's a regional
> thing?
>
> Also, I love seeing photos from events.
>
> -R
>
> If you give a child a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a child
> to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. But if you teach a child to learn,
> you feed him for a lifetime and he doesn't have to just eat fish. :)
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 8:07 PM
>
> Wedding pictures are normally taken before or after the service...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:03:48 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <004201cb7b03$bc965c00$35c31400$@softwareinnovation.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm often allowed to get up beside or behind the thrones to get pictures.
> I
> really try to flash mostly to the side where the crowd is not, but that is
> not always possible. As in the example, if the Crown asks that I not use a
> flash then I do not, but then I mostly do not get usable pictures and
> people
> are disappointed. Most Crowns in Ansteorra have told me they understand
> the
> issues and appreciate the photos of their reign. I believe we can learn to
> ignore the flashes much as we ignore the electric lighting, porta-potties,
> golf carts, and radios that have become part of our infrastructure.
>
> In any case, I apologize to those whose ambiance is affected.
>
> In Service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ansteorra-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:ansteorra-
>> bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Toscano
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:53 PM
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>>
>> Caelin:
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> *****
>> If you want modern, quality pictures of you or your friends when they get
>> awards or other recognition in dark courts, then you will have to put up
>> with modern flashes.
>> *****
>>
>> In my mind it's everyone else in court who has to deal with the mood
>> being
>> broken.
>>
>> I think this is one we just have to say, OK, so I didn't get pics.
>>
>> (Most indoor court pics give you the person's butt anyway. I like outdoor
>> courts where I can get behind the thrones.
>>
>> Liam
>>
>> PS: To everyone, remember, I am Eastern born and bred, and we just don't
>> take flash photos in court. It's in EK Law, and it's usually followed. I
> am
>> a product of my upbringing. I think flash spoils the ambiance.
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> Message: 40
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:08:36 -0500
> From: "Sher M" <runa.herd at earthlink.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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>
> A beginning fighter does not need the fancy garb, he/she needs functional
> garb. Most new people don't know what era, what group of people, what
> class
> of people, etc that they want to be. They may try several different
> versions or personas before they pick The One. It's like picking The
> Name.
>
> Chairs are easy to hide with a sheet. Sheets can be fitted to the chair,
> painted devices on the sheets, pillows added. Coolers, that doesn't take
> any talent to throw a twin sheet over it. Candles can be a major fire
> hazard in a tent or around clothing. Battery operated candles make
> excellent replacements and the wind doesn't blow them out. A covered
> table
> in camp makes an excellent area to hid coolers. As far as shoes, I have
> news for you. I have a hyper-extended tendon in my heel and only a
> certain
> type of shoe allows me to walk without looking like a drunk. If you're on
> the ground trying to see my footwear I'm probably going to stomp on you.
> Even mundane tents can be covered with painted sheets or lightweight
> cloths
> that have designs on them or cover them by creating a "fence" of painted
> sheets that hide the mundane tent, cooler, etc.
>
> Use your imagination! You have one otherwise you wouldn't be in the SCA.
>
> Runa
>
>> Well, yes and no, overall we seem to be doing a fairly good job of
>> approximating the garb. Of course there is room for improvement, we are
>> still learning, not everyone's skills or focus is the same. That's where
>> helping each other out comes in. The chairs were just an example of the
>> compromises we make. Finding a way to disguise or make things look more
>> historically medieval comes next. Using the historical solution when we
>> can is the goal. These things wax and wane. I have not spent much time
>> watching the field of late, that is my lapse and my loss. I just know
>> that
>> if we are going to ask the fighters on the field to improve the look of
>> the game we who watch must be prepared to do the same.
>>
>> If memory serves, seeing the collapsible camp chairs uncovered in court
>> was also one of HRM Logan's pet peeves. I think he lost that battle, but
>> I have been wrong before.
>>
>> AEla
>>
>> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> AEla: I think we need to start with
>>> garb first and move onto other things.
>>>
>>> I think it's easier to have "selective blindness" about
>>> mundane chairs,
>>> coolers and cars outside the fence than the clothing people
>>> are weating.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Liam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Susan Tillery
>>> <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>>
>>> > If we are going to ask the fighters to improve the
>>> look of their gear we
>>> > need to speak to the spectators as well. Do we
>>> want to give up our modern
>>> > pop up chairs? Or at least cover them with a cloth so
>>> they are less
>>> > glaringly modern? Do we require our artisans and
>>> scribes to use only period
>>> > tools? That is the ideal and there is always room for
>>> improvement.
>>> >
>>> > I agree that leading by example, improving my own kit
>>> piece by piece and
>>> > listening and sharing with others is the way to go. I
>>> play infrequently
>>> > myself these days and have let much of my kit fall by
>>> the wayside. If I
>>> > don't continue to strive for a more medieval look and
>>> feel it is easy to
>>> > lapse into a gray pseudo-medieval mush, so I welcome
>>> the discussion and will
>>> > look with interest to see where it leads.
>>> >
>>> > AEla
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 41
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 03:10:47 GMT
> From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Two cent about Armor rule New Age
> Message-ID: <20101102.221047.21130.0 at webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
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> We are coming into a New Age. The BOD and the main officers in our
> Kingdoms are trying to get Grants to fund us. To get Grants we need to
> look like we are really serious in studying History.
> I do think we are making a mistake. We need to look like we are really
> interested in learning and teaching and experiencing history. Which is
> what we have claimed to be. I think people would be more impressed with
> us if we could show people learning about medieval envoriments and then
> doing our best to recreate them.
> Groups like the mountaineers and the Civil War people usually have areas
> similar to Carodocs Enchanted kingdom where everything is a proper as you
> can make it. Than there are other area at the events where learning and
> doing demos.
> Educatiors and people giving grants away will be more impressed by seeing
> many people learning and doing.
> But if we are going to do that we need to have more medieval and
> Renianssance theme things at our events.
> We need to go back to heardry and Courts that reflect historical procale.
> It doesn't matter how good your armor is if a Tournment doesn't look like
> anything that was done in period. If we have list fields and a sturture of
> officers that look like they are out of King Rene's book on tournments
> people will be more and willing to overlook a few pieces of duck tape.
> If we have a calendar in our local groups which show people learning about
> the Medieval and Reinssance periods and we are putting out How tos and
> useful articles on our Web sites we will impress people with belief in
> learning.
> Also if we are having regular classes on what is period and teaching our
> people what to do that would impress everyone. I know that edicators are
> impressed by someone showing armor at a demo and bragging on how he made
> it and how now he knows more and what he would do to change it.
> Our greatest strength is we like to learn and do and we can make people
> excited about a life long love of learning.
> I don't think we should make it law but I do think we should stress the
> whole concept in our value system.
> willow taylor aka
> Duchess Willow de Wisp
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> Message: 42
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:08:50 -0500
> From: "Patricia Schmidt" <iris20 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Cry Heralds needed for BAM
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>
> Good Folk of Ansteorra
>
> An old and long-standing SCA tradition is being brought back to
> Bordermarch
> at BAM. Would you like to be a part of it? Would you like to be able to
> tell folks what to do and where to do it and they'll like it??? It won't
> require much of your time, but in that short time you can be a part of
> making our Kingdom shine! What is this tradition that I speak of? Cry
> Heraldry! Everyone wants to know what is happening and when (especially if
> the printed schedule has changed!)
>
> To that end, I am in need of at least 6 gentles, (in addition to myself),
> who would enjoy taking up this most worthy challenge. Of course, the more
> participants that there are, the easier it will be.
>
> There will be 1 cry done on Thursday evening of BAM @ 7:30a, 2 cries on
> Friday & Saturday @ 7:30a & 4:30p and 1 on Sunday morning @8a of BAM. The
> first one in the morning will tell the folk of what is going on and to
> rise
> if they are needing armor inspection, etc. The second will be in the late
> afternoon to
> give further information re. feast, court, parties, etc. The total time
> required to accomplish this noble deed is 1/2 hr. of your time on Thursday
> &
> Sunday and only 1hr. on Friday & Sunday. That's right, only ? hr. per cry.
>
> Please contact me at the above address or on the list if you would like to
> be a part of helping our Kingdom bring back this great SCA tradition.
>
> M. Jalali of Salamis
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 43
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susan Tillery <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> I was married in west Texas in a Presbyterian church and cameras were
> forbidden in the sanctuary. It might be a denominational thing. Of course,
> this was also 20+ years ago.
>
> AEla
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
>
>> I've never been to a wedding where
>> photos were verboten during the ceremony. And I've been to
>> alot of weddings... Maybe it's a regional thing?
>>
>> Also, I love seeing photos from events.
>>
>> -R
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 44
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:19:50 -0500
> From: Jeffrey <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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>
> I just want to toss out there that for most performers (musicians, etc)
> who have to read something (notes, music, script) in the kind of light
> that requires a flash, said flash -- when used -- can be distracting (to
> the performer) at best and outright disasterous at worst.
>
> Pictures might be nice for you, but for the poor musician, bard, or herald
> who suddenly lost his place, the memory of the ruined performance isn't
> quite as fond.
>
> -- AS Zorzi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irena Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>
> I actually event stewarded (if that is a word) an event in Mooneschadowe
> that encouraged just "pagentry" and it was fun. Maybe I will give this
> idea
> a few thoughts. Thanks Robert.
>
> Katrine
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If you cant a sponser for such, then why not sponser it yourself at some
>> event. It dosnt have to be one of the "biggies". A smaller event would
>> allow
>> you to work out in your own mind what your really looking for. As time
>> goes
>> on, this could become a pet project you choose to do in many places as
>> you
>> travel.
>> Robert
>>
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> Message: 45
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:35:10 -0500
> From: Catrin ferch Maelgwn <ladycatrin at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Poetry for Children
> Message-ID:
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> Although they're not written for children, I wonder if the letters of John
> Ball might be appropriate. They're in verse form, and since "Crispin" is
> set around the same time as the Peasants' Revolt, they might add to the
> students' understanding of the setting, and the forces that were shaping
> the
> world at that time. Depending on your students' ages, you could just give
> them a modern English translation, or provide both a translation and the
> original Middle English side-by-side. The poems themselves are fairly
> simple.
>
> There are some other contemporary poems about the Rebellion, mostly
> anonymous, that could also work. You can find a few in "Historical Poems
> of
> the XIV and XV Centuries," edited by Rossell Hope Robbins, but I'm afraid
> I
> don't have any good translations to suggest.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Catrin ferch Maelgwn
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Dana Busenbark
> <danab-steppes at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a place that has poetry written for the Renaissance
>> that would have children in mind? I'm having a hard time finding
>> something
>> to use. I have my anchor piece for the Class project, Crispin by Avi, I
>> need
>> a Poem, a Short Story, a Non-fiction work, music, art, film clip (going
>> to
>> use a youtube sca fight video :), and an interdisciplinary text that is
>> going to be Daily Life in Renaissance Italy.
>>
>>
>> Fiona the Needleworker
>> a.k.a. Fionnbharr le Nedlere
>> m.k.a. Dana Busenbark
>>
>> Barony of the Steppes
>> Kingdom of Ansteorra
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 46
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 03:38:23 GMT
> From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking good when fighting history
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> Dear People
> I don't know about now, but I do remember a time long before Inman where
> the Knight marshal stopped the crown list so the Marshals could change
> into elegant clothing.
> Duke Inman didn't stop carpet armor because we didn't wear it. It was too
> hot in Ansteorra and it itched badly. We worn almost nothing but minimum
> armor.
> We did a lot of things differently in Ansteorra and it wasn't until about
> 17 years ago that we started to let things go. We became the generic SCA.
> We stopped doing persona and we stopped pushing for events and things to
> have historical relevance.
> It is very hard to work on your armor and clothes and things when we don't
> even bother to turn off lights at feast and our courts are "good old boy
> fest". We have gotten so good at "living the Dream" we have stopped
> recreating history. One of the problems with "the Dream" is if my "Dream"
> is to wear blue jeans how dare you say anything. There is nothing concrete
> with Dreams but if we are trying to recreate medieval and Renaissance
> environments then there are some things not proper and there are facts to
> deal with.
> Someone asked me if it was "right" to force history down people's throat
> and I finally came up with an answers. When people join the SCA it is with
> an understanding that we study medieval and Renaissance cultures. If
> someone has come to a fighter practice or any other event they are
> expecting to be exposed to history. If they don't like it they can walk
> away but if we are going to live up to our recruitment line then we should
> try to teach them something.
> You can't wait for them to ask questions because a lot of very well
> educated people do not know the questions to ask.
> willow
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> Message: 47
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Maria Buchanan <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
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> As a photographer, I always ask the preacher if they mind if I take
> pictures during the ceremony.? Some do, some don't.? I can always recreate
> a shot after the service is over, but it takes time to do that.? It's
> easier to do it during the ceremony.?
>
> Lady Maria
>
> "Sex and religion are closer to each other than either might prefer."
>
> - Saint Thomas Moore (1478-1535)
>
> --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Traci <traci at crimsonvision.net> wrote:
>
> From: Traci <traci at crimsonvision.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 8:23 PM
>
> Hrm... I'm pretty sure that most weddings today have photos taken during
> the
> entire ceremony.? I know that we had *two* photographers (only counting
> the
> ones we hired & not the friends who brought cameras) taking pics the whole
> time to be sure to get different angles of the very important moments of
> the
> service.? Our wedding anniversary is actually next week & I have greatly
> been enjoying looking back at those moments.
>
> I do agree though that it should be up to the Peer if they want photos but
> ultimately Their Majesties of course.
>
> One more thing as it has been noted several times during this
> conversaition;
> the SCA is not triyng to recreate history perfectly.? We are *creating our
> own history.*? Not reenactments.
> Elizabeta
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:07 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My two widow's mites:
>>
>> Taking pictures during a court ceremony is roughly akin to taking
>> pictures
>> during a wedding or other church service. Neither should be considered
>> acceptable, considering the solemnity of the moment. Wedding pictures are
>> normally taken before or after the service, and peerage pictures could
>> also
>> be taken before or after the peerage ceremony (or investiture, or what
>> have
>> you).
>>
>> I would like to note that, when Her Majesty the Queen of Great
>> Britain's coronation was televised in 1953 (the first and, so far, only
>> coronation ceremony to be televised), the cameras did not capture the
>> moment
>> of the monarch's anointing, which is the most sacred moment of the
>> coronation service. I don't know if I'm a dinosaur for thinking a little
>> respect for the most profound moments in our lives is appropriate, but
>> there
>> you go. Cameras, even in the twenty-first century, can be pretty
>> invasive,
>> and I think they're best left to an off-site (not off the event site, but
>> off the court site) photo-op. I'm keeping in mind the wedding portraits
>> that
>> were taken of the Prince and Princess of Wales and their wedding party in
>> 1981, and of the coronation portraits that have been made of Kings and
>> Queens at least as far back as Queen Elizabeth I. Such portraits do not
>> show
>> the actual MOMENT of crowning, or of the marriage ceremony, but they do
>> provide a treasured memento of the occasion at hand.
>>
>> I'm currently reading James Pope-Hennessy's biography of Queen Mary, and
>> her
>> coronation portrait on the frontispeace is most spectacular. She stands
>> in
>> her coronation robes and Garter regalia, wearing the thistles-and-roses
>> diamond tiara while her actual crown sits on a drape-covered table at her
>> side. Her Brittanic Majesty's coronation portrait in front of a backdrop
>> of
>> King Henry VII's chapel in Westminster Abbey is also quite
>> impressive--again, not showing the exact MOMENT, but definitely recalling
>> the event.
>>
>> ON THE OTHER HAND, if the peer/investee in question wishes the ceremony
>> to
>> be photographed, who am I to say it can't be done?
>>
>> Detlef von Marburg
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Is Hell well-lit?
>> >
>> > And will it be when it's frozen over?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
>> > <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
>> >
>> > > But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me
>> > > getting
>> > my
>> > >> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of
>> other
>> > >> people.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court
>> > > so
>> > we
>> > > can all take good pictures!
>> > >
>> > > regards,
>> > > Simone :-)
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
>> and what does the LORD require of you
>> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
>> and to walk humbly with your God?
>> --Micah 6:8
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> Message: 48
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 04:05:55 GMT
> From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Just do it Lisa song "my Fair Lady"
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> People don't talk, do.
> It has always been the people that have made Ansteorra different. Here are
> some things to do.
> I Create a special place within your campsite to promote your dream of
> Ansteorra. If you have a non-period tent decorate it as best you can or
> put up a privacy panel. I have used the pop up tents and put a wall
> hanging up to hide my old tent. If you don't have a wall hanging nice
> brocade will do. If you need ideas just ask me.
> 2. Do something "period" at the list field or in the hall. Play cards or
> Backgammon or dice.
> 3 If you are Nordic or Celtic bring things to trade on a one to one level.
> People traded all the times in early cultures.
> 4 Invite performers over to entertain at your household feast. Just
> because you are not nobility doesn't mean you would not have
> entertainment.
> 5 Bring period Stories and read them out loud while other play card games.
> 6 encourage Courtly love and the Courtesies and flirt with everyone.
> 7. Take the ideal of the Lions of Ansteorra as a model and shape the area
> around you to feel like a place in the medieval and Renaissance world.
> Ask people who do that to come and teach a class or speak to your group or
> household. Seek out the knowledge you need and arrange it to taught. You
> don't need an official OK just do it in your campsite or home. Our
> officers are so busy just handling the paper work that they don't have
> time to organized. As long as you are courteous and thoughtful of the
> people around you there should not be a problem. For example don't have
> classes in your campsite during a major activity. Have an impromptu class
> over lunch.
> willow
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> Message: 49
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 23:09:31 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <001101cb7b0c$eacdf020$c069d060$@softwareinnovation.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'll remember that and ask them before their performance if I can.
>
> In Service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ansteorra-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:ansteorra-
>> bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jeffrey
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:20 PM
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>>
>> I just want to toss out there that for most performers (musicians, etc)
> who
>> have to read something (notes, music, script) in the kind of light that
> requires
>> a flash, said flash -- when used -- can be distracting (to the performer)
> at best
>> and outright disasterous at worst.
>>
>> Pictures might be nice for you, but for the poor musician, bard, or
>> herald
> who
>> suddenly lost his place, the memory of the ruined performance isn't quite
> as
>> fond.
>>
>> -- AS Zorzi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Irena Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>>
>> I actually event stewarded (if that is a word) an event in Mooneschadowe
>> that encouraged just "pagentry" and it was fun. Maybe I will give this
> idea
>> a few thoughts. Thanks Robert.
>>
>> Katrine
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If you cant a sponser for such, then why not sponser it yourself at
>> > some
>> > event. It dosnt have to be one of the "biggies". A smaller event would
>> allow
>> > you to work out in your own mind what your really looking for. As time
>> goes
>> > on, this could become a pet project you choose to do in many places as
> you
>> > travel.
>> > Robert
>> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 50
> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 23:43:22 -0500
> From: John <iaenmor at swbell.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <4CD0E86A.1080104 at swbell.net>
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>
> Depends on which level you are on.
>
> Iaen
>
> On 11/2/2010 7:19 PM, Bill Toscano wrote:
>> Is Hell well-lit?
>>
>> And will it be when it's frozen over?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
>> <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
>>
>>> But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me getting
>>> my
>>>> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of other
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>> so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime court so
>>> we
>>> can all take good pictures!
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Simone :-)
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 51
> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 23:48:03 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1011022328360.11973 at panix3.panix.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would like to note that, when Her Majesty the Queen of Great
>> Britain's
>
> "... by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
> Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head
> of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith", to be precise.
>
>> coronation was televised in 1953 (the first and, so far, only
>> coronation ceremony to be televised), the cameras did not capture
>> the moment of the monarch's anointing, which is the most sacred
>> moment of the coronation service.
>
> True, and sites including
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_British_monarch> says
> that the Communion was not televised or photographed either. But I
> gather that another serious problem is that (a) for the anointing, she
> was being stripped down to her anointing gown, which was later *under*
> her shift, so imagine the chance of an accident, and (b) four Garter
> knights were holding a gold canopy over her in case of a wardrobe
> malfunction anyway. (Jerrold M. Packard, _The Queen and Her Court_,
> p. 168.)
>
>> I don't know if I'm a dinosaur for thinking a little respect for the
>> most profound moments in our lives is appropriate
>
> Exemplia grumpia: I absolutely refuse to clap at a wedding, on the
> grounds that it's not a frakin' performance. In most weddings I've
> been at, it's been a religious ceremony: I consider it even more
> inappropriate to treat a sacrament as an entertainment. What next,
> shouting "encore!", or if they make a mistake, throwing stinking
> vegetables at the couple and retracting the wedding presents?
>
> Denyel Lincoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 52
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 01:06:24 -0500
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <99B6DD88-0238-4165-8E71-EA88299B25E6 at austin.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Irena Fridenberg wrote:
>
>> I have been asking for events to have competitions for out side of the
>> list
>> field for years. You know, who has the best area set up with as
>> period/period looking area. I would love to see something like this at
>> crown and other important events; however, I was informed that "WE" do
>> not
>> do anything except crown tourney at that event. I am not asking for an
>> arts
>> or bardic competition, classes or demos, I am merely wanting to encourage
>> better pagentry on the on lookers end.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Lady Katrine la Esclopiera
>
> So, why does it need to be something "official"?
>
> Master Cariadoc hands out silver rings to those bardic performances he
> considers worthy. Nothing official. Nothing he had to ask permission to
> do.
>
> I'm not sure who this person is who "informed" you that "WE" do not do
> anything except crown tourney at crown tourney, but I would question their
> authority to claim that. Maybe that was the wish of one Event Steward or
> one King or one group, but that didn't seem to have phrased that way.
> Being rough and crude as I am, I'd probably tell them where to stuff it.
> Unless something interferes with the stated purpose of the event or
> violates SCA or mundane laws, then what an individual does as an
> individual is up to them.
>
> By yourself or with a group of friends or household or your local group,
> come up with your own competition and with a token or bauble if you wish,
> hold your competition, award your honors and see where it goes. If enough
> people welcome the effort, then it will continue. If not, then learn from
> it, change it or try something else.
>
> Having been disappointed in what I've seen as a fall-off in the bardic
> arts, at least in informal, campfire settings, several years ago I thought
> I'd create a 'Florilegium' based pewter token (since I have some
> experience making such tokens) to hand out as I saw fit to bardic acts I
> appreciated. I guess I really ought to get off my lazy butt and do it.
>
> At the Bryn Gwlad event this past weekend, I was overjoyed to see a gentle
> walking around with a bunch of pilgrim badges (ie: SCA site tokens) in his
> hat. While I was happy since it was a very period thing to do, what made
> me even prouder was that I had made one of those tokens! Perhaps in the
> future you'll see some gentles wearing one for excellence in the bardic
> arts. Or something similar for excellence in period encampment by Lady
> Katrine!
>
> Stefan
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
> StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 53
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 01:11:46 -0500
> From: James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
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>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Celestria leDragon <
> celestria.ledragon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As for smoking the smokers that I know or know of including myself walk
>> away
>> and either join other smokers or stand away from the activities and
>> people.
>> It is some of the non-smokers that come into the space we created out of
>> respect to smoke that get indignant about smoking. I have been to an
>> event
>> that was held in a park where you could not smoke on their property so we
>> just walked across the street. It was no problem.
>>
>>
> Yes, you are very polite and, although smoke is an issue for me, I don't
> recall having any problem with your smoke. You are a good example of
> courtesy.
>
> My biggest issue with smoke is when I am on the field with my helm on and
> it
> fills with someone's secondhand smoke. I am breathing hard and trapped in
> my
> helm with that smoke. Second would be when I am sitting in my chair by
> list
> side and have to move to get away from the smoke.
>
> Christian Dor?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 54
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 01:32:49 -0500
> From: Haraldr Bassi <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <4CD10211.1080004 at haraldr.drakkar.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> It is an unfortunate fact that once smoke leaves one's lungs there is no
> controlling where it
> will go. It is subject only to the winds and, at least it often seems to
> me, will perniciously
> and capriciously seek out those who are most negatively affected by it's
> presence. Almost as if
> it knows we have problems with it and finds us just to mess with us.
>
> Though some of your fellow smokers are not nearly as situationally aware
> as those commenting on
> the thread have shown themselves to be. Oddly enough, though I will move
> myself as needed, I am
> not as upset about smoke from a woodfire as I am from tobacco smoke.
>
> Haraldr
>
> On 2010/Nov/03 01:11, James Crouchet wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Celestria leDragon<
>> celestria.ledragon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As for smoking the smokers that I know or know of including myself walk
>>> away
>>> and either join other smokers or stand away from the activities and
>>> people.
>>> It is some of the non-smokers that come into the space we created out of
>>> respect to smoke that get indignant about smoking. I have been to an
>>> event
>>> that was held in a park where you could not smoke on their property so
>>> we
>>> just walked across the street. It was no problem.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, you are very polite and, although smoke is an issue for me, I don't
>> recall having any problem with your smoke. You are a good example of
>> courtesy.
>>
>> My biggest issue with smoke is when I am on the field with my helm on and
>> it
>> fills with someone's secondhand smoke. I am breathing hard and trapped in
>> my
>> helm with that smoke. Second would be when I am sitting in my chair by
>> list
>> side and have to move to get away from the smoke.
>>
>> Christian Dor?
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 55
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 01:02:47 -0700
> From: "ajquig at cableone.net" <ajquig at cableone.net>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID: <49678.1288771367 at cableone.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Greetings
>
> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber novel...does
> anyone
> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious. Seemed odd to
> run
> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>
> Aoife
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 56
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 03:12:56 -0500
> From: James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikXgcvdpU+BUdS4tOGQ6ZbTaYSajUWsXNOEONwx at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Well, he is certainly aware of us. You will find such references scattered
> through his work, especially those stories relating to Honor Herrington,
> mostly to the future SCA's re-creation of the 20th century. That
> connection
> plays an important (but small) role in one story.
>
> Christian Dor?
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 AM, ajquig at cableone.net
> <ajquig at cableone.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber novel...does
>> anyone
>> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious. Seemed odd
>> to
>> run
>> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>>
>> Aoife
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 57
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 05:37:00 -0500
> From: "Phocas of Bordermarch" <phocas at bordermarch.org>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
> Message-ID: <000001cb7b43$0e5aad40$2b1007c0$@bordermarch.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Greetings,
> It is looking like there will be a Heralds Warranting Class. Our
> awesome
> (coastal) Solstice Herald Alisone McCay has contacted me about teaching
> the
> class. I'm waiting to hear back on the day and time. Would a Friday
> afternoon herald warranting class work for you?
>
> The Melees (BAM) part of the Bordermarch website is up to date with all
> the
> latest information, classes and schedule. I'm posting updates almost
> daily.
> www.bordermarch.org/Melees
>
>
> Lord Phocas of Bordermarch
> - Class Coordinator, Baronial Assimilator of Information, Keeper of the
> Schedule, Feeding and watering of the website and Gate Book . and a few
> other labels.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces+phocas=bordermarch.org at lists.ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+phocas=bordermarch.org at lists.ansteorra.org] On
> Behalf Of HerrDetlef
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:57 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
>
> If there IS a herald's warranting class at BAM, SIGN ME UP! :-)
>
> Detlef v. M
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Salut cozyns,
>>
>> No, but I can think of a few cases where that would be a warranted
>> command, however.
>>
>> En Lyonel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would someone be kind enough to explain warranting? I've never heard
>> the
>>> term used in the context of heralding, and my first thought was an
>>> image of the queen yelling "off with their heads"... Somehow I don't
>>> think that is right.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brett Chandler-Finch <naturemakeswell at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:23 AM
>>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
>>>
>>> Is there going to be a herald warranting class at BAM?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Brett Chandler-Finch
>>> The physician heals, Nature makes well.
>>>
>>> 8401 Treehouse Ln.
>>> Austin, TX 78749
>>> (512) 703-0669
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>
>
>
> --
> He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the LORD require of
> you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your
> God?
> --Micah 6:8
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 58
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 05:45:55 -0500
> From: Sydney Winchester <strangefire at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID: <95579534-2D74-4F58-96F5-C98281CBCF8F at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Mr. Weber was a frequent customer at a game store where I used to work,
> Boardwalk & Park Place, in Greenville, S.C. He used to come in on Sundays
> and talk for hours. He has a degree in Military History, and is, of
> course, interested in all aspects of history.
>
> I believe, if I remember correctly, he played a little back in Atlantia's
> early days; and he and I certainly talked about the SCA.
>
> Sydney Winchester
> (ska Lord AEthelwulf of Malmesbury)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:12 AM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, he is certainly aware of us. You will find such references
>> scattered
>> through his work, especially those stories relating to Honor Herrington,
>> mostly to the future SCA's re-creation of the 20th century. That
>> connection
>> plays an important (but small) role in one story.
>>
>> Christian Dor?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 AM, ajquig at cableone.net
>> <ajquig at cableone.net>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber novel...does
>>> anyone
>>> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious. Seemed odd
>>> to
>>> run
>>> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>>>
>>> Aoife
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 59
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 06:22:47 -0500
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I will probably not get to the site till sometime Friday afternoon.
> (Driving
> from Temple, and I cannot take off till Friday morning at the earliest) If
> the class is LATE Friday afternoon, I should be able to make it.
>
> Detlef
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Phocas of Bordermarch <
> phocas at bordermarch.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>> It is looking like there will be a Heralds Warranting Class. Our
>> awesome
>> (coastal) Solstice Herald Alisone McCay has contacted me about teaching
>> the
>> class. I'm waiting to hear back on the day and time. Would a Friday
>> afternoon herald warranting class work for you?
>>
>> The Melees (BAM) part of the Bordermarch website is up to date with all
>> the
>> latest information, classes and schedule. I'm posting updates almost
>> daily.
>> www.bordermarch.org/Melees
>>
>>
>> Lord Phocas of Bordermarch
>> - Class Coordinator, Baronial Assimilator of Information, Keeper of the
>> Schedule, Feeding and watering of the website and Gate Book . and a few
>> other labels.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ansteorra-bounces+phocas=bordermarch.org at lists.ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+phocas <ansteorra-bounces%2Bphocas>=
>> bordermarch.org at lists.ansteorra.org] On
>> Behalf Of HerrDetlef
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:57 PM
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
>>
>> If there IS a herald's warranting class at BAM, SIGN ME UP! :-)
>>
>> Detlef v. M
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Salut cozyns,
>> >
>> > No, but I can think of a few cases where that would be a warranted
>> > command, however.
>> >
>> > En Lyonel
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Would someone be kind enough to explain warranting? I've never heard
>> > the
>> >> term used in the context of heralding, and my first thought was an
>> >> image of the queen yelling "off with their heads"... Somehow I don't
>> >> think that is right.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Brett Chandler-Finch <naturemakeswell at gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:23 AM
>> >> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> >> Subject: [Ansteorra] Herald warrant class at BAM
>> >>
>> >> Is there going to be a herald warranting class at BAM?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ---
>> >> Brett Chandler-Finch
>> >> The physician heals, Nature makes well.
>> >>
>> >> 8401 Treehouse Ln.
>> >> Austin, TX 78749
>> >> (512) 703-0669
>> >> naturemakeswell at gmail.com
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the LORD require
>> of
>> you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your
>> God?
>> --Micah 6:8
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>
>
>
> --
> He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
> and what does the LORD require of you
> but to do justice, and to love kindness,
> and to walk humbly with your God?
> --Micah 6:8
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 60
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 06:35:07 -0500
> From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <4cd148ed.191c640a.0630.fffffca8 at mx.google.com>
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>
> At 01:32 AM 11/3/2010, Haraldr wrote:
>
>>It is an unfortunate fact that once smoke leaves one's lungs there
>>is no controlling where it will go. It is subject only to the winds
>>and, at least it often seems to me, will perniciously and
>>capriciously seek out those who are most negatively affected by it's
>>presence. Almost as if it knows we have problems with it and finds
>>us just to mess with us.
>
>
> So it's like cats, then? <G>
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 61
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 07:19:19 -0500
> From: Joseph Percer <jpercer at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] College of Heralds Decision Meeting @ BAM
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=KtkcxDQmGjj6Q8Z-+tah5LZ3xtgXxZJxvGuNf at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Greetings Ansteorra!
>
> I'm writing to advise you all that the College of Heralds will hold a
> decision meeting on the October 2010 Internal Letter of Intent at
> Bordermarch Autumn Melees.
> This meeting is open to all people, heralds and non-heralds alike, and
> all are encouraged to attend if you've ever wondered how the process
> works. In addition
> to the decisions being made, I am hosting a discussion about the
> possibility of allowing for online meetings when travel isn't
> feasible, to allow as many people to have
> input as possible. If you are interested, the meeting will run from
> 12:30 to possibly 2:00 on Saturday, most likely at the Herald's Point
> area. Listen for announcements
> on site for any updated details.
>
> The submitted items for consideration are:
>
> Aell de Wilde (Gate?s Edge, Shire of) New Name and Device.
> ?theldreda de Dunbretane (Bryn Gwlad, Barony of) New Name.
> Agnes Turnbull (Gate?s Edge, Shire of) New Name and Device.
> Cymme in kyrra (Barony Bordermarch) Resubmitted Device.
> Ekarius von Kr?ssen (Steppes, Barony of) New Name Change.
> Georges le Breton (Gate?s Edge, Shire of) New Name and Device.
> Gera von Roer (Steppes, Barony of) New Name Change.
> Gwenlliana Lovelady (Raven?s Fort, Barony of ) Resubmitted Name.
> Robert Coleford (Gate?s Edge, Shire of) New Name Change.
> Silvius Foppa (Elfsea, Barony of) New Name and Device.
> Vaclav Slovaczek (Barony Bordermarch) New Device.
>
> You can review the commentary and submissions at the following link
> (Incidentally, all commentary is available here and if you're minded
> to become a commenter, you're more than welcome to do so!)
>
> http://ace.heraldry.ansteorra.org/letter/view/38
>
> I strongly advise you review the commentary before attending the
> meeting, as I'll have limited copies of it available At the meeting.
>
> I hope to see you all there on Saturday at Melees!
>
> Pray know that I remain Yours in service,
>
> Se?or Jayme Dominguez del Valle
> Bordure Herald
> --
> Joseph M. Percer, AAS, LP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 62
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:29:36 -0500
> From: "Elisabeth B. Zakes" <kitharis at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking good when fighting history
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 22:38, willowdewisp at juno.com
> <willowdewisp at juno.com>wrote:
>
>> Duke Inman didn't stop carpet armor because we didn't wear it. It was too
>> hot in Ansteorra and it itched badly. We worn almost nothing but minimum
>> armor.
>>
>
> Oh, I remember carpet armour in 1978 and a few years beyond, as well as
> minimum and much more than minimum.
>
> We did a lot of things differently in Ansteorra and it wasn't until about
> 17
>> years ago that we started to let things go. We became the generic SCA. We
>> stopped doing persona and we stopped pushing for events and things to
>> have
>> historical relevance.
>>
>
> I respectfully disagree. Anyone who has been to the Lysts at Castleton for
> the past several years, or to many Bjornsborg events, as just two
> examples,
> will see plenty of historical relevance as well as "doing persona."
>
> Things change, folks. Things evolve. Sometimes for the better, and
> sometimes
> not. Some people put a higher emphasis on historical accuracy than others.
> There is no "right" or "wrong" in either of those points, just a
> difference
> in focus.
>
> The question for Ansteorrans is -- is it a good thing to mandate a minimum
> standard of "period-looking" on the fighting field, as the original poster
> was asking about? Personally, I don't think so. Once we put something like
> that as a hard rule, it's very difficult to change our minds later. It
> becomes "It's always been that way," even if it hasn't.
>
> Looking over the past 30 years, it amazes me how much things have changed
> toward "more period" -- and that without any laws or rules to say so. It
> will happen because those who lean hard towards historical accuracy and
> are
> passionate about it will set standards by example (Master Eule and
> Centurion
> Maelgwyn are just two that come to mind). Those who want to will do so.
> Those who cannot for whatever reason, or don't want to go to that degree
> will make the best effort they can, inspired by the example-setters, as
> has
> always been done. If we make rules that set the bar too high, newcomers
> will
> see the rules and turn away in disappointment. If, on the other hand, we
> make it known that it's something to aim at but is not required at the
> entry
> level, we'll get people who feel welcomed and who will see something to
> strive for and work towards. It's good to have goals, and goals that
> people
> set for themselves are more fun to have (and meet or exceed) than goals
> imposed from the outside.
>
> If we were to mandate being "more period," should we require everyone to
> speak in his or her persona's native language and dialect? Should we
> rearrange the entire award structure so that "Lord" outranks "Master"?
> Should we require everyone to wear only fabrics that could have been
> obtained in the persona's location? Should we forego automobiles and
> require
> only horses and carriages and wagons? Should we argue the colour of thread
> used to sew a jacket? It can be a slippery slope, and where do we draw the
> line?
>
> Culturally, Ansteorra is very good about peer pressure (not Peer pressure
> :)
> ). Simply setting examples and "showing by doing" is a huge force for
> change
> in this kingdom. We've not needed mandates or rules. Ansteorrans are very
> proud of being the best at what we do. Let's go ahead and be the best
> without needing someone else to tell us how! :)
>
> Aethelyan Moondragon
> Bryn Gwlad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 63
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 06:41:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jasper <captain_jasperc at yahoo.com>
> To: "Inc. Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <868168.35574.qm at web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Getting back to the original subject of the original post....on making
> period
> things become mandatory in some type of regulation.
> It was mentioned that there was a fear that making some type of "rule"
> that
> everyone, even newcomers, follow a set of guidlines for historical
> accuracy.
> There was the argument posted by a few that this would drive new people
> away...being faced with spending large amounts of money on period gear
> from
> chairs to armor to clothing many would simply not wish to participate. My
> argument is the opposite in that we drive many newcomers away because
> there is
> not enough of us who care about this aspect of the society and make an
> "attempt"
> at being period or pre-17th century. People hear about this great group
> who
> re-create the middle ages, who relive the days of chivalry recreating
> everything
> from combat to courts. when these newcomers arrive what do they find? Many
> folks
> walking around in t-tunics over jeans, using plastic armor and hockey
> gloves for
> gauntlets, sitting in nylon chairs...blah blah blah. There is simply no
> appeal
> to those newcomers who now have access to the web, movies and so on who
> can
> plainly see that alot of what we do is not medieval at all. I have played
> long
> enough to know that this is just how the society is no matter what kingdom
> you
> are in. Periodness on some level should be a goal that we?all at least
> strive
> for in some way even if it is over a period of years. Times have changed
> and the
> dynamics for attracting new members have changed as well. Its not enough
> anymore
> to offer events that serve as merely a place to camp out and party. When
> people
> hear about our dream, that is exactly what they expect. Why come to us if
> they
> can't see that dream imagined? What makes us so different than Amtgard or
> some
> of the other groups out there if we do not strive to recreate our vision
> of the
> dream? I am not trying to change the society, I just believe that when it
> says
> "attempt" at pre-17th century many do not take this seriously. We are?not
> re-enactors(obviously) we are re-creators of history. We should be trying
> to
> re-create our vison of the middle ages as accrately as possible?where ever
> we
> can as we play.
>
>
> Jasper C.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 64
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:56:05 -0500
> From: mikea <mikea at mikea.ath.cx>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <20101103135605.GA39808 at mikea.ath.cx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
>
> On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 06:41:43AM -0700, Jasper wrote:
>> Getting back to the original subject of the original post....on making
>> period
>> things become mandatory in some type of regulation.
>> It was mentioned that there was a fear that making some type of "rule"
>> that
>> everyone, even newcomers, follow a set of guidlines for historical
>> accuracy.
>> There was the argument posted by a few that this would drive new people
>> away...being faced with spending large amounts of money on period gear
>> from
>> chairs to armor to clothing many would simply not wish to participate. My
>> argument is the opposite in that we drive many newcomers away because
>> there is
>> not enough of us who care about this aspect of the society and make an
>> "attempt"
>> at being period or pre-17th century. People hear about this great group
>> who
>> re-create the middle ages, who relive the days of chivalry recreating
>> everything
>> from combat to courts. when these newcomers arrive what do they find?
>> Many folks
>> walking around in t-tunics over jeans, using plastic armor and hockey
>> gloves for
>> gauntlets, sitting in nylon chairs...blah blah blah. There is simply no
>> appeal
>> to those newcomers who now have access to the web, movies and so on who
>> can
>> plainly see that alot of what we do is not medieval at all. I have played
>> long
>> enough to know that this is just how the society is no matter what
>> kingdom you
>> are in. Periodness on some level should be a goal that we?all at least
>> strive
>> for in some way even if it is over a period of years. Times have changed
>> and the
>> dynamics for attracting new members have changed as well. Its not enough
>> anymore
>> to offer events that serve as merely a place to camp out and party. When
>> people
>> hear about our dream, that is exactly what they expect. Why come to us if
>> they
>> can't see that dream imagined? What makes us so different than Amtgard or
>> some
>> of the other groups out there if we do not strive to recreate our vision
>> of the
>> dream? I am not trying to change the society, I just believe that when it
>> says
>> "attempt" at pre-17th century many do not take this seriously. We are?not
>> re-enactors(obviously) we are re-creators of history. We should be trying
>> to
>> re-create our vison of the middle ages as accrately as possible?where
>> ever we
>> can as we play.
>
> In my experience, a great many people have been driven away, not because
> of historical inauthenticity, but because groups and their members have
> been less than welcoming.
>
> --
> Mike Andrews / Michael Fenwick Barony of Namron, Ansteorra
> mikea at mikea.ath.cx / Amateur Extra radio operator W5EGO
> Tired old music Laurel; Chirurgeon; SCAdian since AS XI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 65
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:09:27 -0500
> From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I actually had a semi-related question to this in a job interview not
> that long ago. (hear me out here... please)
>
> Evidently the President of Oklahoma State University had set a goal of
> making OSU the healthiest college campus in the United States, A noble
> goal, to be sure. One of my interviewers asked me how I, as a
> supervisor, would work towards that objective.
>
> Now, this was an admitted "off the wall" question, and really had
> little to do with the job I was interviewing for, but all supervisors
> were being asked to help with it, so...
>
> I thought for a second, and then came up with a shoot-from-the-hip,
> "sound bite" answer that I was comfortable with.
>
> "As a general rule, I believe in inspiration over regulation 99% of the
> time."
>
> I went on to outline that some rules were appropriate, like job
> related physical requirements, a ban on smoking in the workplace and
> the like. However I firmly believed that it was the responsibility of
> the individual, not the governing body, to step in and inspire and/or
> lead other individuals in a healthier lifestyle.
>
> You can draw what parallels you like, but in general this whole
> question of "regulation" within Ansteorra kind of feels the same way
> to me. Take from that what you will, I'm certainly not trying to
> preach to anyone.
>
> Ivo Blackhawk
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 66
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:29:34 -0500
> From: Chelsea Durham <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID: <SNT125-W163736B384B244BD3F6A63B54A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> There's another novel by [pen name] Nicholas Adams called Horrorscope
> where the main character is in the SCA. The premise for one part of the
> plot centers around the family's involvement in the organisation. The
> author even attended an event or two to get the feel for the scene where
> the characters go to an event. It's been a while since I read it and I
> think it's out of print. >.>
>
> -Lady Grainne Kathleen NicPadraig MacDaniel
>
> Son, I never knew there was part of me missing until you were born.
>
>
>
>
>> From: strangefire at sbcglobal.net
>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 05:45:55 -0500
>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
>>
>> Mr. Weber was a frequent customer at a game store where I used to work,
>> Boardwalk & Park Place, in Greenville, S.C. He used to come in on Sundays
>> and talk for hours. He has a degree in Military History, and is, of
>> course, interested in all aspects of history.
>>
>> I believe, if I remember correctly, he played a little back in Atlantia's
>> early days; and he and I certainly talked about the SCA.
>>
>> Sydney Winchester
>> (ska Lord AEthelwulf of Malmesbury)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:12 AM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, he is certainly aware of us. You will find such references
>> > scattered
>> > through his work, especially those stories relating to Honor
>> > Herrington,
>> > mostly to the future SCA's re-creation of the 20th century. That
>> > connection
>> > plays an important (but small) role in one story.
>> >
>> > Christian Dor?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 AM, ajquig at cableone.net
>> > <ajquig at cableone.net>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Greetings
>> >>
>> >> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber novel...does
>> >> anyone
>> >> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious. Seemed
>> >> odd to
>> >> run
>> >> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>> >>
>> >> Aoife
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Ansteorra mailing list
>> >> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> >> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> >> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 67
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:39:50 -0500
> From: Haraldr Bassi <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <4CD17436.7020907 at haraldr.drakkar.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mostly true. Except that cats will also curl up and purr at you and make
> all things right in the
> world, at least until they get annoyed and then treat you like you are
> just so much smelly laundry.
>
> Haraldr
>
> On 2010/Nov/03 06:35, Chris Zakes wrote:
>> At 01:32 AM 11/3/2010, Haraldr wrote:
>>
>>> It is an unfortunate fact that once smoke leaves one's lungs there is
>>> no controlling where it will go. It is subject only to the winds and,
>>> at least it often seems to me, will perniciously and capriciously seek
>>> out those who are most negatively affected by it's presence. Almost as
>>> if it knows we have problems with it and finds us just to mess with us.
>>
>>
>> So it's like cats, then? <G>
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 68
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:41:40 -0500
> From: Clint Gallon <cgallon at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimq5=PDD4jS4HpnUOXony7=cUgpR1ONbM_ZOC6E at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Really want to see some SCA in a novel?
>
> http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0743471644/0743471644.htm
>
> And the first 2 books are free :)
>
> -- Cathal :)
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Chelsea Durham
> <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> There's another novel by [pen name] Nicholas Adams called Horrorscope
>> where
>> the main character is in the SCA. The premise for one part of the plot
>> centers around the family's involvement in the organisation. The author
>> even
>> attended an event or two to get the feel for the scene where the
>> characters
>> go to an event. It's been a while since I read it and I think it's out of
>> print. >.>
>>
>> -Lady Grainne Kathleen NicPadraig MacDaniel
>>
>> Son, I never knew there was part of me missing until you were born.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: strangefire at sbcglobal.net
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 05:45:55 -0500
>> > To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
>> >
>> > Mr. Weber was a frequent customer at a game store where I used to work,
>> Boardwalk & Park Place, in Greenville, S.C. He used to come in on Sundays
>> and talk for hours. He has a degree in Military History, and is, of
>> course,
>> interested in all aspects of history.
>> >
>> > I believe, if I remember correctly, he played a little back in
>> > Atlantia's
>> early days; and he and I certainly talked about the SCA.
>> >
>> > Sydney Winchester
>> > (ska Lord AEthelwulf of Malmesbury)
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:12 AM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well, he is certainly aware of us. You will find such references
>> scattered
>> > > through his work, especially those stories relating to Honor
>> Herrington,
>> > > mostly to the future SCA's re-creation of the 20th century. That
>> connection
>> > > plays an important (but small) role in one story.
>> > >
>> > > Christian Dor?
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 AM, ajquig at cableone.net <
>> ajquig at cableone.net>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Greetings
>> > >>
>> > >> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber
>> > >> novel...does
>> > >> anyone
>> > >> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious. Seemed
>> odd to
>> > >> run
>> > >> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>> > >>
>> > >> Aoife
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net
>> > >> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 69
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:57:45 -0500
> From: <jwtopp at peoplepc.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Source for local honey
> Message-ID: <1FE0410C0E1D407786AD4E33A17693C1 at homeld>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi I need someone to go in with me and split 50lbs of local honey, please
> contact me off list
>
> I will have the price for you. I just cannot afford the whole 50lbs. it
> will be less then 3.00 a lb.
>
> Thank you
>
> Lady Maeve Dianotto
>
> Janie Topp
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 70
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:34:04 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <003f01cb7b6c$8c7df320$a579d960$@softwareinnovation.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well said and it neatly encapsulates my feelings also.
>
> In Service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ansteorra-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:ansteorra-
>> bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
>> Cisco Cividanes
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:09 AM
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>>
>> I actually had a semi-related question to this in a job interview not
>> that long ago. (hear me out here... please)
>>
>> Evidently the President of Oklahoma State University had set a goal of
>> making OSU the healthiest college campus in the United States, A noble
>> goal, to be sure. One of my interviewers asked me how I, as a
>> supervisor, would work towards that objective.
>>
>> Now, this was an admitted "off the wall" question, and really had
>> little to do with the job I was interviewing for, but all supervisors
>> were being asked to help with it, so...
>>
>> I thought for a second, and then came up with a shoot-from-the-hip,
>> "sound bite" answer that I was comfortable with.
>>
>> "As a general rule, I believe in inspiration over regulation 99% of the
> time."
>>
>> I went on to outline that some rules were appropriate, like job
>> related physical requirements, a ban on smoking in the workplace and
>> the like. However I firmly believed that it was the responsibility of
>> the individual, not the governing body, to step in and inspire and/or
>> lead other individuals in a healthier lifestyle.
>>
>> You can draw what parallels you like, but in general this whole
>> question of "regulation" within Ansteorra kind of feels the same way
>> to me. Take from that what you will, I'm certainly not trying to
>> preach to anyone.
>>
>> Ivo Blackhawk
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 71
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Roysen AriManna <glassrose_95 at yahoo.com>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> Message-ID: <99401.84861.qm at web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I have opted to chime in on this due to the fact that it relates,
> somewhat, to my pre-SCA life( this was over 13 years ago, I have only be
> around SCA for over 4 years or so).?
>
> Before I become aware of this group, I had friends who loved to dress up
> for ren faires.? They clarified to me that they were not part of a group
> called the SCA because they had encountered some SCAians that were so
> particular about things being "period correct".? Mind you these friends of
> mine had garb that would stand toe to toe with the best dressed at any of
> our events.?
>
> I later discovered that you strive to look as period as possible and hid
> as much mundane as you can.? This is the message I try to get out to those
> who show an interest in this group for which I am proud to be a part of.?
>
> All of this talk reminds me of the fact that when most of us were children
> watching Loony Tunes or The Three Stooges, we did not have a disclaimer of
> not to try this at home ( though some of us may have tried anyway).? We
> had enough common sense to understand what was right.?
>
> I prefer to resist the "legislation" due to the fact that, with out
> becoming a period nazi, we can encourage newcomers to develop a more
> period looking reality as they play.? We demonstrate our ability to work
> as a family by loaning what is needed and teaching how to make it for ones
> self, etc.? We all learn by example.? I have? the good fortune to deal
> with more helpful people in the SCA than stuck-up know-it-alls.? We do
> play nice together, many are considerate of others - whether it be
> smoking, period tents separate from non period tents, food issues,
> children, etc.?
>
> Bottom line, I like my family from way back when.?
>
> In Love & Light, Arimanna?
> aka Paula
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 72
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:41:36 -0500
> From: James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTingUnGxkG-UXNeF-iSu=ogVLBVweTMpnqMsnMBc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Yeah, the Baen Free Library is a great thing.
>
> Christian Dore
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Clint Gallon <cgallon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Really want to see some SCA in a novel?
>>
>> http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0743471644/0743471644.htm
>>
>> And the first 2 books are free :)
>>
>> -- Cathal :)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Chelsea Durham <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > There's another novel by [pen name] Nicholas Adams called Horrorscope
>> where
>> > the main character is in the SCA. The premise for one part of the plot
>> > centers around the family's involvement in the organisation. The author
>> even
>> > attended an event or two to get the feel for the scene where the
>> characters
>> > go to an event. It's been a while since I read it and I think it's out
>> > of
>> > print. >.>
>> >
>> > -Lady Grainne Kathleen NicPadraig MacDaniel
>> >
>> > Son, I never knew there was part of me missing until you were born.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: strangefire at sbcglobal.net
>> > > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 05:45:55 -0500
>> > > To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
>> > >
>> > > Mr. Weber was a frequent customer at a game store where I used to
>> > > work,
>> > Boardwalk & Park Place, in Greenville, S.C. He used to come in on
>> > Sundays
>> > and talk for hours. He has a degree in Military History, and is, of
>> course,
>> > interested in all aspects of history.
>> > >
>> > > I believe, if I remember correctly, he played a little back in
>> Atlantia's
>> > early days; and he and I certainly talked about the SCA.
>> > >
>> > > Sydney Winchester
>> > > (ska Lord AEthelwulf of Malmesbury)
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
>> > > On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:12 AM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Well, he is certainly aware of us. You will find such references
>> > scattered
>> > > > through his work, especially those stories relating to Honor
>> > Herrington,
>> > > > mostly to the future SCA's re-creation of the 20th century. That
>> > connection
>> > > > plays an important (but small) role in one story.
>> > > >
>> > > > Christian Dor?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 AM, ajquig at cableone.net <
>> > ajquig at cableone.net>wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Greetings
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I just ran across a reference to the SCA in a David Weber
>> novel...does
>> > > >> anyone
>> > > >> know whether he is or ever has been a member? Just curious.
>> > > >> Seemed
>> > odd to
>> > > >> run
>> > > >> into a SCA reference in an outerspace story.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Aoife
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 73
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris Lucas <chrislucas2504 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Just do it Lisa song "my Fair Lady"
> Message-ID: <425907.7116.qm at web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Huh several of us discussed these very same concepts at Samhain this last
> weekend in camp. We {some thunder camping ,as not all can} put up the two
> semiperiod tents up front at the gate to camp to give it a better luck
> though
> plenty of folks wanted/suggested to put the two yurts in the back. the two
> acted
> not only as a wall on either side but to act as part of the gate into
> camp.
> Looking at the camp from the very close hafla gave a very cool feeling and
> look.
> we as a group attempt to invite even non house to join us if they can add
> to the
> ovewerall cool factor whether its armor clothing camp bardic etc to add
> overall
> the experience.. I push my guys to cover,cover,cover,to get a more
> contributive
> better experience all the way around. cool.
> Kristoff Fugger von augsburg.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 11:05:55 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Just do it Lisa song "my Fair Lady"
>
> People don't talk, do.
> It has always been the people that have made Ansteorra different. Here are
> some
> things to do.
> I Create a special place within your campsite to promote your dream of
> Ansteorra. If you have a non-period tent decorate it as best you can or
> put up a
> privacy panel. I have used the pop up tents and put a wall hanging up to
> hide my
> old tent. If you don't have a wall hanging nice brocade will do. If you
> need
> ideas just ask me.
> 2. Do something "period" at the list field or in the hall. Play cards or
> Backgammon or dice.
>
> 3 If you are Nordic or Celtic bring things to trade on a one to one level.
> People traded all the times in early cultures.
> 4 Invite performers over to entertain at your household feast. Just
> because you
> are not nobility doesn't mean you would not have entertainment.
> 5 Bring period Stories and read them out loud while other play card games.
> 6 encourage Courtly love and the Courtesies and flirt with everyone.
> 7. Take the ideal of the Lions of Ansteorra as a model and shape the area
> around
> you to feel like a place in the medieval and Renaissance world.
> Ask people who do that to come and teach a class or speak to your group or
> household. Seek out the knowledge you need and arrange it to taught. You
> don't
> need an official OK just do it in your campsite or home. Our officers are
> so
> busy just handling the paper work that they don't have time to organized.
> As
> long as you are courteous and thoughtful of the people around you there
> should
> not be a problem. For example don't have classes in your campsite during a
> major
> activity. Have an impromptu class over lunch.
>
> willow
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 74
> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 12:16:15 -0700
> From: "ajquig at cableone.net" <ajquig at cableone.net>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] OT-SCA Reference In Novel
> Message-ID: <50584.1288811775 at cableone.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Guess I'll have to read the John Ringo stuff-our library has all the books
> of the "Council Wars" series.
> After all, I've gone through S.M. Sirling's "Change" series.
> It's interesting to find so many references to the SCA out there.
> Remember "Murder At The War"?
>
> Aoife
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 75
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:43:24 -0500
> From: SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>, Barony of Bryn Gwlad
> <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>, Stronghold of Hellsgate
> <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] OT- Knit Your Bit
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimvMBAdT7w1oyri63cAcRxGhCtv1wR8_aopGF=M at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Please pardon the bandwidth, but as the wind whistles around my house
> here in beautiful (grey, gloomy, cold) central/southern Ansteorra, I'd
> like to take a moment to thank each and every one of you for the
> support you've shown my beloved husband, Ioannes Dalassenos, while
> he's been deployed to Afghanistan.
>
> With that support in mind, I'd ask the knitters and crocheters among
> us (sadly, I can do neither) to consider supporting this years "Knit
> Your Bit-Knitting for Veterans." Knit Your Bit provides scarves for
> WWII veterans in Veterans Homes all across the United States. In
> WWII, knitting was a way those At Home could give tangible, comforting
> support to the boys Over There, as well as providing much needed
> winter clothing. If you have the time, please consider donating some
> of it to our WWII veterans in the form of a knitted or crocheted scarf
> this winter season. If someone has the time, but lacks the yarn, I
> would be happy to donate some yarn for a jointly supported project.
>
> For more information, please visit:
> http://www.nationalww2museum.org/calendar/knit-your-bit.html.
>
> In service to Country and Crown I remain,
> Helene Dalassene
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 76
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:47:08 -0500
> From: Ysabeau <ysabeau.lists at gmail.com>
> To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>, Stronghold of Hellsgate
> <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] [Bryn-gwlad] OT- Knit Your Bit
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikuo8VP9HqVGQ=aG_agJQh2uE6iJpHzEAL9CTTW at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I wonder if felted scarves and hats would be acceptable?
>
> I can't knit, but I can felt.
>
> Ysabeau
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM, SoldierGrrrl
> <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Please pardon the bandwidth, but as the wind whistles around my house
>> here in beautiful (grey, gloomy, cold) central/southern Ansteorra, I'd
>> like to take a moment to thank each and every one of you for the
>> support you've shown my beloved husband, Ioannes Dalassenos, while
>> he's been deployed to Afghanistan.
>>
>> With that support in mind, I'd ask the knitters and crocheters among
>> us (sadly, I can do neither) to consider supporting this years "Knit
>> Your Bit-Knitting for Veterans." Knit Your Bit provides scarves for
>> WWII veterans in Veterans Homes all across the United States. In
>> WWII, knitting was a way those At Home could give tangible, comforting
>> support to the boys Over There, as well as providing much needed
>> winter clothing. If you have the time, please consider donating some
>> of it to our WWII veterans in the form of a knitted or crocheted scarf
>> this winter season. If someone has the time, but lacks the yarn, I
>> would be happy to donate some yarn for a jointly supported project.
>>
>> For more information, please visit:
>> http://www.nationalww2museum.org/calendar/knit-your-bit.html.
>>
>> In service to Country and Crown I remain,
>> Helene Dalassene
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 77
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:52:02 -0500
> From: "Magdalena \"Dena\" Cortez" <pancua at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>, Barony of
> Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT- Knit Your Bit
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinjRfMPaOaZ17j2HaX49+4=76Gg9F5h8b7qez-n at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the materials (or the time, sadly) to make new
> scarves however I still have quite a few I've made in the past that I
> brought with me when I moved.
>
> Since they've just been sitting in my closet for the past 5 years, I'll
> happily donate them. :)
>
> --Dena
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM, SoldierGrrrl
> <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Please pardon the bandwidth, but as the wind whistles around my house
>> here in beautiful (grey, gloomy, cold) central/southern Ansteorra, I'd
>> like to take a moment to thank each and every one of you for the
>> support you've shown my beloved husband, Ioannes Dalassenos, while
>> he's been deployed to Afghanistan.
>>
>> With that support in mind, I'd ask the knitters and crocheters among
>> us (sadly, I can do neither) to consider supporting this years "Knit
>> Your Bit-Knitting for Veterans." Knit Your Bit provides scarves for
>> WWII veterans in Veterans Homes all across the United States. In
>> WWII, knitting was a way those At Home could give tangible, comforting
>> support to the boys Over There, as well as providing much needed
>> winter clothing. If you have the time, please consider donating some
>> of it to our WWII veterans in the form of a knitted or crocheted scarf
>> this winter season. If someone has the time, but lacks the yarn, I
>> would be happy to donate some yarn for a jointly supported project.
>>
>> For more information, please visit:
>> http://www.nationalww2museum.org/calendar/knit-your-bit.html.
>>
>> In service to Country and Crown I remain,
>> Helene Dalassene
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ansteorra mailing list
>> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In humble service to The Barony of Bryn Gwlad,
>
> Lady Magdelena "Dena" Cortez
> MKA Katy Hendrick
> Cell: 512-585-4172
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 78
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "aurore_gaudin2000 at yahoo.com" <aurore_gaudin2000 at yahoo.com>
> To: jwtopp at peoplepc.com, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Source for local honey
> Message-ID: <726526.73373.qm at web113610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Where are you and where is the honey coming from? Is it raw honey?
>
> Aurore Gaudin
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "jwtopp at peoplepc.com" <jwtopp at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 9:57:45 AM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Source for local honey
>
> Hi I need someone to go in with me and split 50lbs of local honey, please
> contact me off list
>
> I will have the price for you. I just cannot afford the whole 50lbs. it
> will be less then 3.00 a lb.
>
> Thank you
>
> Lady Maeve Dianotto
>
> Janie Topp
>
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>
>
>
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