[Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the Dutchman Hanse

David Brown lddevin03 at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 24 09:35:53 PST 2011 

Yes Baroness Daria. He claims rights to the lands of Raven's Fort. He has spread 
the lie that he is the real Baron and has tried to muster a revolt against the 
true Baron, Brian du Val.

Lord Devin




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From: Daria Riley <daria at hellsgate-sca.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 9:27:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the 
Dutchman Hanse

There has been much talk of his capture and of his treatment (even by
myself) but nothing about what he is accused of.
Has Hanse been found guilty of anything that we should speak so harshly of
him?

Please do not misunderstand, I make no fault with those sentiments that have
been expressed. I expressed a few myself.

I am merely curious how one man could incur the wrath of so many of our
Stellar Kingdom.

YiS,
Daria

Baroness Daria Riley
Web Minister ~ Stronghold of Hellsgate
http://www.hellsgate-sca.org

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Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the
Dutchman Hanse


That is a very good question. I have heard reports of slander, claiming the
baronial throne of Raven's Fort, and other ill deeds. But, I have heard no
counts of proper examination of the subject nor a writ of guilt and order of
punishment handed down by a court of the crown. I have only heard of
subjects sharpening knives, and being on the verge of lighting torches and
grabbing pitchforks. I believe that ansteorrans are above village mob
justice. I would hope so in any case.

Pieter










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From: Daria Riley <daria at brokenspit.com>
To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.' <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the
Dutchman Hanse


Begging Pardon,
What crimes is he "accused" of?
D

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ehalf Of donpieter at aol.com
ent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:50 AM
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utchman Hanse

am sure he has said many a word that was ill choosen hence the lack of
ove for this creature in this kingdom. But to make a subject of the cown
atone" for a sin agains the baron of this kindgom he must still be held
ver for judgement before any such "atonement" be started. I have read much
n the subject of removing parts of him that are not needed for his work as
tailor which are in  fact punishment for crimes. This would be a crime in
tself.
ieter



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rom: David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com>
o: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
ent: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the
utchman Hanse

ieter Rausch...
is not the Baronial Guards intent to hurt this creature. He has spoken
arsh 
rds of great concern against our current Baron. We simply want he to atone
or 
is many sins, after which, we shall place him in your embrace.
evin O'Donnabhain

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om: Peter Wohlers <donpieter at aol.com>
: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
nt: Mon, January 24, 2011 1:09:05 AM
bject: Re: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the 
tchman Hanse
or to capture the man (I use the term lightly) is of none of my matter. It 
lls not in the letters of my warrant. It is when the person (still to good

rd for this creature) is captured, that my job begins. Should the crown or 
eir representative see fit to extract information from it I would be more
hen 
appy to "press" him for answers. Should they also find him guilty of a true
rime agains the crown or kingdom and guilt calls for the punishment or
final" 
nishment, I would be remiss in not performing the duties as spelled out in
y 
rrant. But should a subject of the crown punish, torture or execute this
nave 
hey would be duly owing a tax. Also should a subject of the crown put the
nave 
o harm before a verdict has been handed to him by the court of the crown,
hen 
at person shall also be held over for examination by the court of the crown
or crimes against one of their subjects. Until then I await a lawful writ of
uilt and order for just punishment to be 
anded down from the court so that I may stoke the fire, sharpen my tools
nd 
t flesh to hemp. 
n dutyful service to the crown,
eter Rausch 
cutioner to the great Crown of Ansteorra
ent from my iPhone
n Jan 24, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Michelle Dodd <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com>
rote:

Were I to capture Hanse, I have no desire to kill or maim him.
However what I would do might be thought to be punishment or even torture
y 
im, but not by normal, civilized persons. 
I am thinking to start with a hot scouring bath with lots of soap, done by 
me 
lder nuns. 
Or possibly monks would be better suited to make sure he is thoroughly
lean. 
Then while transporting him in a cage wagon to whichever locale has claim,

elieve it was Raven's Fort?, he would be fed Only bread and vegetables.
No greasy meats of any kind. I believe the greasiness for which he is so
ell 
nown is one reason he has proved so hard to capture and hold prisoner.

If I do manage to capture him what 'tax' would you claim?

Lady Gabriele

The pursuit of truth and beauty is a sphere of activity in which we are 
lowed 
o remain children all our lives. (Albert Einstein)




From: donpieter at aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:01:26 -0600
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] To those that would punish, torture or execute the 
Dutchman Hanse

Good people of Ansteorra I bid you greetings,
I have been following your conversation which is interesting at best. Just
o 
>you all know any subject of this kingdom that would punish, torture or
xecute 
>this Dutchman Hanse will owe a tax to myself as authorized in my royal
arrant 
>signed by the crown. Happy hunting, I can use the income. 


Pieter Rausch
Kingdom Inquisitor and Executioner of Persona


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