[Ansteorra] Questions regarding slings & Tavern Fights
Ld.blackmoon
ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Fri Jul 29 01:40:47 PDT 2011
greetings
one possible use you didn't mention for a battle field slinger , was that of
distraction.
a small stone wont kill you , but it will distract you when your trying to
keep that other guys bloody sword out of your body , and catch a fighter or
a horse in an unprotected spot , and see who stands still , and who jumps
around cussing , or kicking .
just a thought ; )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
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From: "Stefan li Rous" <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Cc: "Sher M" <runa.herd at earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Questions regarding slings & Tavern Fights
>>> How does one determine what is a SCA Tavern Fight Legal Weapon?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by SCA Tavern Fight Legal Weapon. This is
> probably something okay'ed for a specific event.
>
> Are you speaking of what I call SPDs (Silly Parrying Devices)? Often used
> in special rapier scenarios? I think these may be restricted to being
> defensive only weapons. But again ratan(?) daggers that are similar, used
> to be allowed in SCA rapier as secondary weapons but are now not allowed
> while flexi-daggers are now allowed. Maybe someone from the rapier
> community can add to this or tell where I am wrong.
> SPD-msg (14K) 12/ 6/95 Silly Parrying Devices for SCA rapier combat
>
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT-RAPIER/SPD-msg.html
>
> I'm assuming that you aren't talking about using slings in tavern type
> fights. I definitely would say that there isn't enough room in any
> tavern, period or SCA, to be able to actually use a sling effectively,
> except perhaps as a garrote. :-)
>
> As to using an approved sling on the battlefield, just because something
> is "illegal" currently doesn't mean you can't get the rule changed.
> However, expect a long, drawn out fight against embedded interest groups.
>
> Prove that the weapon is "safe", and that meaning seems to be getting
> more and more restrictive as time goes by, and get people interested in
> using it and maybe the rule will be changed. I'm unaware of any specific
> incidents that may have caused slings to have been disallowed.
>
> Jousting from horseback used to be illegal in the SCA, but recently some
> folks in this kingdom did the research and provided sufficient evidence
> that foam core lances could be used. They are working now on doing the
> same for balsa-cored lances. By the way, if the people involved in this
> effort would identify themselves and/or connect with me, I'd love to have
> some how-to/history article of these SCA-legal lances for the
> Florilegium.
>
> Slings do take a fair amount of practice to use accurately and safely.
> Much more that say using a combat crossbow, both of which I've used.
>
> I suspect that just using regular tennis balls would work just fine from
> a safety standpoint. They tend to be stacked in four-ball pyramid shapes
> for siege weapon ammunition, but that is to simulate much bigger rocks.
>
> I'm not sure just how lethal a combat sling would have been against an
> armored knight in period. Most are familiar with the biblical David and
> Goliath story, but there wasn't as much armor there. But I believe they
> were used on the medieval battlefield even if mostly as lightly armored
> auxiliaries.
>
> So the more research on how and when it was used and it's effectiveness
> on medieval slings would help.
>
> What I believe Lady Runa was trying to simulate with the "small Nerf type
> footballs and duct taped" was the period sling "bullet" that was the same
> size and shape of these nerf type footballs, but made of LEAD. Now anyone
> who wants to put on their period style armor and let us sling some of
> those lead "footballs" at them, please contact us so we can arrange a
> demo somewhere. Especially if you are one to shrug off that these might
> have been real weapons. It will take us some time to locate and cast some
> of these "footballs" but I'm sure something can be arranged. :-)
>
> And I would love to have a more comprehensive, organized article on the
> use of slings in our time of study, for the Florilegium. Right now, all I
> have is the collection of messages that you did find.
>
> Even if not allowed immediately on the battlefield, I think it could make
> an interesting "thrown weapons" type competition. If you are using real
> rocks, you might have to figure out how to keep mis-thrown rocks from
> injuring a bystander.
>
> I could see arguments about slings being too dangerous to use in the SCA
> as a "thrown weapon" but not effective/dangerous enough to be used in SCA
> combat. Such is politics in the SCA.
>
> Stefan
>
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:21 AM, Bill Tait wrote:
>
>> Slings are specifically not legal.
>>
>> From Society Marshal Handbook, VII A 13:
>>
>>
>> 13. No missile weapons intended to simulate firearms, slings,
>> slingstaffs,
>> nor Atlatl's can be used on the field
>> of Armored Combat
>>
>> And in all honesty, a period-used sling was most lethal against rabbits
>> than
>> armored fighters. (Except possibly to the face).
>>
>> I believe one of the reasons for disallowing slings is one of safety.
>> The
>> cord could either enter a bar grille, or wrap around a throat.
>>
>> William Arwemakere
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Sher M <runa.herd at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on getting qualified as a combat archer (crossbow).
>>> However
>>> (isn't there always one) I've been reading the Florilegium regarding
>>> slings.
>>> Why can't they be used as either a primary weapon or a secondary
>>> weapon?
>>> I've discovered I'm pretty good for first time sling user. Could find
>>> nothing about SCA legal "rocks" for slings so I got some small Nerf
>>> type
>>> footballs and duct taped the dickens out of them turning them into a
>>> sphere
>>> shape (i.e. more or less round). I know what I can do with a rock but
>>> figured if I threw a rock at an Armored Combat Fighter he/she would hit
>>> me
>>> back, hard and over and over again.
>>>
>>> And if slings are legal to use on the field who would authorize you?
>>> Thrown Weapons? Siege Weapons? Would the "rocks" have to be covered
>>> in
>>> yellow duct tape? What would be the minimum and maximum size/ weight
>>> limit?
>>>
>>> Which brings up another question. How does one determine what is a SCA
>>> Tavern Fight Legal Weapon?
>>>
>>> Lady Runa of The Thundering Herd (wannabe slinger)
>>> Barony of Raven's Fort
>>> Knight Marshal
>>> Apprentice to Mistress Shanahan
>>> Bronze, Tidal Thunder
>>> Amazon Household
>
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