[Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel

Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Thu Jul 28 11:50:20 PDT 2011 

greetings

 you will also note that in many period art works, the ranges were also 
flying many banners and pennons , with vendors present, as well as nobility 
( even if only the town mayor ) but with event schedules as tight as they 
are we rarely see nobles sitting watching missile activities , which makes 
the rare occasion very special to the participants ; )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haraldr Bassi" <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel


> Hello Vincenti,
>
> Most of your examples have solid evidence for people doing the exact same 
> types of things in period. Historically archery tourneys had odd shoots 
> (split the wand, grid etc) and rarely used a modern concentric circle 
> paper target. Fencers tended to be well dressed and the period they were 
> popular lace was the standard dress. Chivalric tourney fighters would 
> invest their winnings in fancy armor to impress people and intimidate 
> their opponents.
>
> Unfortunately, for most of period, there were little to no places where 
> multiple artisans came together to compare and contrast their creations to 
> other artisans in a competition, at least not that I've seen.
>
> However, some artisans were also merchants and if they didn't have an 
> attractive booth display their family would starve. But in general, most 
> artisans would have a one on one relationship between themselves and their 
> patron for creation of a specific item or service.
>
> My own personal approach to artisan participation displays is to use this 
> as an opportunity to actually perform my art in front of people. This 
> equates to the artisan working in his shop with the front raised up and 
> people walking by and being caught up in the sounds and smells of the 
> work. While that approach works well for non-competition, it doesn't stand 
> up so well for static display competitions like Kingdom A&S and Gulf Wars.
>
> A very specific example, there is a world of difference between seeing a 
> spring pole lathe in action with wood shavings flying all over the place 
> and soft chuff of the wood and tools working together to seeing a picture 
> of a lathe and the results of a week of effort culminating in a very basic 
> wooden bowl. Believe me in how tough it is to express the thrill and 
> grandeur of the creation of something so small and humble.
>
> Haraldr
>
>
> On 7/28/11 9:58 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>> Perhaps looking at it a different way ... I see people doing things 
>> everywhere that don't *NEED*
>> to be done. At the Archery range I have seen bobbing heads with the faces 
>> and even eyes painted,
>> fish that explode, Evil Elmo with 3 inch fangs and a sword. None of these 
>> types of things are
>> *NEEDED*. But they do make it fun and draw attention. The chivalric 
>> fighter on the field that
>> spends $800+ on a helm, the rapier fighter that makes sure they have lace 
>> on their clothing for
>> fighting in, or even the artisan that gets some black cloth to put behind 
>> or on their display.
>> None of these things are *NEEDED* ... but ... we are only human and our 
>> eyes are drawn to things
>> that are interesting and / or contrasting. There are ways to do things 
>> that will make it far
>> better and more exciting than a small bowl sitting on a table with a 
>> card.
>>
>> While I agree that we all need to be careful not to get sucked in to 
>> flashy=good and that we
>> need to look at the underlying work that it took to make something. We 
>> should still be aware
>> that contrasting colors make it easier to notice something. When I setup 
>> my display with the
>> crossbow it is not to add lights and everything to it, it is to create a 
>> contrast of colors. The
>> wood in my crossbow was too close in color to the table tops and they 
>> were plastic so I really
>> did not want the table top to take away from my display. To fix that I 
>> put down some black cloth
>> and suddenly it looks better because it stands out more.
>>
>> I am looking forward to Laurel's Prize Tourney and I am devising traps 
>> for any Laurels that may
>> venture too near:-)
>>
>> YIS,
>> Vincenti
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2011 2:07 AM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
>>> greetings
>>>
>>> lol, don't feel lonesome , between being strongly opinionated, not
>>> afraid to open my mouth, and having terrible documentation skills, I
>>> doubt I will ever join them either ; )
>>> I think the problem is different than most people see, from my
>>> perspective . as an a& s peer , they should be looking at every thing
>>> they get the chance to , and advising / teaching as often as possible.
>>> not just teaching / advising their chosen students. they should be
>>> examining all entries , not just the ones with flashy colors , or fancy
>>> displays. if your entry needs those things because it isn't very well
>>> made, or it is made from modern materials in a modern fashion , I guess
>>> that's ok, but , if I want to sell my stuff for profit I'll build a
>>> display to attract the people with no knowledge, but lots of money, a& s
>>> peers are supposed to be both knowledgeable and interested in things a &
>>> s , as the top of the a & s food chain they shouldn't need flashy /
>>> shiny to attract their attention.
>>> skill and craftsmanship / knowledge should draw them like a moth to the
>>> flame .
>>> but hey , its their show , let them have fun their own way , ill keep
>>> having fun making things ; )
>>> again , just my opinion : )
>>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Dodd"
>>> <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not a Laurel and most likely will never join that little club.
>>>> However, I have been a merchant for several years & I know that you
>>>> will get more interest by having an interesting display. Having things
>>>> at different levels is basic eye catching. It holds interest, where
>>>> people will actually look at the items.A bowl on a table with a piece
>>>> of paper is boring. Put that same bowl on an angle, to catch the light
>>>> and show the colors, is much better & will get more response. While
>>>> chocolate is good, you don't need "showgirls Or oiled towel boys".
>>>> Just put a little effort into the display of what you put so much time
>>>> and effort into making. I normally would not get into this discussion,
>>>> since as I said I am not a Laurel, but I once entered a small A&S
>>>> 'event' which, while NOT LPT,was similar in that it was for discussion
>>>> and advice as to how to do 'it' better. What ever 'it' was.My display
>>>> was flat. I had no table cover. Nothing to make the display
>>>> interesting. At the end of the
>>>> day I had few remarks, less advice. While it is certainly possible,
>>>> that nobody there knew much about what I was displaying, I don't even
>>>> remember what it was, If I had had a more interesting display, more
>>>> people would have stopped and looked. YES it is merchandising. But if
>>>> you want people, besides those who "geek out on the very things
>>>> artisans are working on", to look at what you have done than you HAVE
>>>> to catch their eye. Laurels are humans too, most of the time. They
>>>> want to look at interesting things. Ly Gabriele
>>>>
>>>> The pursuit of truth and beauty is a sphere of activity in which we
>>>> are allowed to remain children all our lives. (Albert Einstein)
>>>> > From: barrett1 at cox.net
>>>>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:05:35 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>>>>
>>>>> "And there are some shy Laurels. I have met them. But in
>>>>> performance of our duties in aiding artisans to be their best, we 
>>>>> should
>>>>> never have to be lured like a mythical unicorn."
>>>>> Suvdchin, OL
>>>>>
>>>>> Umm... I'd like to point out publically to my fellow Laurels that you
>>>>> guys
>>>>> are ruining what could be the wildest Arts & Sciences blowout the
>>>>> Kingdom
>>>>> has ever seen!
>>>>> If we convince people we need wooing, we could have full body
>>>>> massages while
>>>>> reading docs, with champagne and quail eggs and those little toast
>>>>> things
>>>>> with smoked salmon while artisans display their work with wet bars and
>>>>> chocolate fountains and showgirls wearing nothing but feathers and
>>>>> jewelry
>>>>> and oiled towel boys with sloppy hair and sedated monkeys wearing
>>>>> little SCA
>>>>> outfits all dancing around suggestively like a Kafka-written
>>>>> nightmare when
>>>>> not leading you gently to the vomitorium.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not ashamed of my dreams!
>>>>>
>>>>> : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, all joking aside, yes, most of us became Laurels because we
>>>>> geek out
>>>>> on the very things artisans are working on - we can't help but pay
>>>>> attention, most of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her Grace Willow was honestly trying to lend a helping hand, give a 
>>>>> few
>>>>> pointers to those who have never displayed before, but she was trying 
>>>>> to
>>>>> help, not declare Commandments. If your table has just your favorite
>>>>> drinking mug and your art on it, we will stop by.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shame though,... everything is better with monkeys.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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