[Ansteorra] Gulf Wars Trailers sorry for three posts in a row

randel lee randelleesmith at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 24 10:42:47 PDT 2011

on point one, that idea has merrit and a pair on jack stands is cheaper than some of the anti- theft devices.
on point two, I believe the safe term is "any reasonable attempt to secure negates neglect"
My inlaws had their vehicle in the shop for body work and the chain fence was a "reasonable attempt" at security that the body shop didnt have to pay for everything stolen from the vehicle.

on point three, I made a comment about it in a previous post that went out after yours.

sorry for three posts in a row. 

--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gulf Wars Trailers
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 11:58 AM
> I've been more or less just listening
> so far, but I wanted to make a few
> observations.
> 1. you may thing this is a long shot, and even I think its
> crazy, BUT,
> considering how much these trailers cost, maybe people
> should jack up one
> side and remove the tire/s, locking it their car. I know it
> sounds
> over-the-top, but honestly, if someone was willing to take
> a hammer to a
> lock and risk discovery, than any additional security
> measure might well
> just be breached by brute force, or the trailer might be
> damaged in a failed
> attempt. Its not line heavy metal things walking around a
> large SCA event
> are all that uncommon, so someone walking with a crowbar
> and a sledg hammer
> would hardly attract a lot of attention. I guess my summary
> statement here
> is that me might want to consider taking away rather than
> adding. Just a
> thought.
> 2. I'm a private security guard, and my first thoughts to
> additional
> security in the trailer parking lot are these. A) I don't
> think the hosting
> group can do it, because if they have a checklist or
> guards, then I think
> they just assumed responsibility for whatever happened to
> the trailers,
> Don't hold me to that, but I seem to remember some
> corresponding incidents
> Ive had professionally where insurance companies screamed
> bloody murder
> because the site was guarded, but stuffl still got stolen.
> Not a lawyer
> here, but I think liability law will come into play if we
> walk too far down
> that road. And B) Part of my job used to be tracking trucks
> and trailers at
> work sites to make sure something didn't wonder off just
> like we are talking
> about. Even with a week's training, computers, a digital
> camera and a
> written procedure, the process was still chaotic and labor
> incentive. Say
> what you want about how easy it should be, but I was there,
> and life just
> had its own plans, or at least that was my experience.
> 3. I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but has anyone
> considered that the
> person/people who stole those trailers are reading this
> e-mail right now?  I
> know you may think I'm crazy (again), but consider that if
> the person
> was familiar with site, they might be SCA, and they might
> be listening in to
> kingdom lists just to see how much stuff they stirred up.
> You may think it
> sounds far fetched, but when I was guarding a refinery, we
> caught people
> breaking in, and they had old scanners in their cars so
> they could listen in
> on our radio traffic and figure out when we were not close
> to them. Those
> were $40 scanners, searching these lists is free. My point
> isn't to get us
> pointing fingers at each other, please don't read it that
> way. And neither
> is it to sew distrust. But if we don't have a realistic
> idea of what our
> adversaries may look like, we're never going to be able to
> get a handle on
> good security.
> Lord Ivo Blackhawk (who misses Gulf War something fierce)
> Okay, I've said my bit, and I hope I didn't offend/insult
> anyone in the
> process. This is just strictly be thinking out loud.
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Elizabeth Crouchet <elizabeth at crouchet.com
> > wrote:
> > Maybe a trailer with a  lojack device?
> >
> > Claire
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Casey Weed <seoseaweed at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I say we build a trailer in the shape of a giant
> wooden horse...
> > >
> > >
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