[Ansteorra] Royalty - Same Sex Consortsâ€

[HerrDetlef]

That--the relationship that the Queen has with the rapier community--is the
main sticking point I see. If a reign were to see two kings--or two
queens--on the thrones, who would elevate worthies to the WSA? "The
consort"? That actually does sound kinda flat. (I forget--who elevated
white scarves during Rowan's reign as QR?) What would become of the Queen's
Championship tournament that has become such a huge part of Ansteorran
life? These are practicalities that would have to be dealt with. The rapier
community has--deliberately or not--created a nigh cult of Ansteorran
queenship, and that "cult" cannot be put on hold for six months without
creating a huge void in our collective Ansteorran experience--even for
those who are not rapier fighters. Elizabeth Tudor moved heaven and earth
to replace devotion to The Virgin Mary with devotion to The Virgin Queen,
but who could we replace The Queen with?

Just off the top of my head (not sure how this would work, either), but
could a pair of kings name a former queen of Ansteorra to serve as
patroness of the rapier community during their reign? Maybe the two kings
could share the patronage, while only the sovereign king sat as patron of
the chivalric community? Something would have to be done in such a case. I
just have no clue what...

Detlef

Incidentally, I have no intention of fighting for my significant other. He
doesn't play SCA. If I were to suit up and fight crown and had the
opportunity to fight for another man, I'd probably ask my best friend...who
got me into the SCA in the first place. I still don't see THAT
happening--first I'd have to take up an interest in chivalric combat.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:

> At 09:29 AM 10/30/2011, you wrote:
>
> That is how you see it Robin. That is not the view of others however. A
>> King or Queen can rule on their own. If we have 2 Kings or 2 Queens then
>> there should be no less of a royal presence. So what if this is about gay
>> people? Gay people have been around forever. This is about creating a game
>> where everyone is welcome. You totally missed the point of non period items
>> being allowed in to an event. What we do is not real. These are not the
>> middle ages and we do not fight to see who will be king. This whole
>> discussion, in my opinion, has gone on way too long. If 2 people of the
>> same sex want to run for a crown, let them. What will it hurt? Will it hurt
>> how you play the SCA?
>>
>
> I'm not sure if "hurt" is quite the right word, but it would certainly
> *affect* the way I play in the SCA, for that reign. I'm a rapier fighter
> and a White Scarf. For me, Queen's Champion is the most important
> tournament in the kingdom. Ansteorra's Queen's Champion Touranment is
> unique in the SCA--an entire day devoted to Her Majesty, where the King
> takes a very definite back seat. Talk to Her Majesty, or some of the Ladies
> of the Rose about how special that day is.
>
> Most other kingdoms have some kind of Queen's Champion--sometimes it's the
> person who came in second in Crown Tourney, sometimes it's someone the
> Queen picks, some kingdoms have a King's and Queen's armored and/or rapier
> champion--but nobody else dedicates an entire event to the pleasure of Her
> Majesty.
>
> And yes, we could, concievably, have a Consort's Champion rapier
> tournament, but trust me, it wouldn't be the same.
>
>        -Tivar Moondragon
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