[Ansteorra] Same-Sex Consorts

[Sir Lyonel]

You're okay -- stupid phone.

Dennis Grace


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On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Salut Cozyns,
>
> So what you and Robin are saying is your okay with same-sex consorts  
> as long as one of them is Queen? So, two women wouldn't bother you,  
> but if it's two men, one had best look good in drag?
>
> En Lyonel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At 02:44 AM 10/30/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>> Salut Cozyns,
>>>
>>> So, when Rowan won Crown, who did the "Queen's Champion" fight to
>>> protect?
>>
>> The Queen, of course. The fact that she was the sovereign as well  
>> was just a cool detail.
>>
>>
>>> Was it a "Consort's Champion"?
>>
>> Nope. On Sunday morning of Queen's Champion we held a second  
>> tournament to choose a King's Rapier Champion. (Note that this was  
>> before the custom of holding the King's Champion tournament on the  
>> morning of Coronation had started.)
>>
>> The list of Queen's Champions on the Ansteorran heraldic website  
>> says Galen Nicolli was Rowans Queen's Champion
>> http://herald.ansteorra.org/OP/op-awards.php?submit=List&id=18  and  
>> that Hector-as-consort had *two* champions: Thorland O'Shea for  
>> rapier and Patrick Michael Gordonne for armored. http://herald.ansteorra.org/OP/op-awards.php?submit=List&id=12 
>>   It's possible that the list is incorrect and Pat was actually the  
>> Sovereign's Champion, not the King's Champion; I don't remember at  
>> this point.
>>
>>
>>> If that happened again, would you voice these same objections?
>>
>> Why? If there's a Queen, either as Sovereign or Consort, we'll have  
>> Queen's Champion. If there are two Kings, then things get strange.
>>
>>
>>> Besides, your objections, as stated here, make the assumptions the
>>> same-sex Crown and Consort would be two men.
>>>
>>> En Lyonel
>>
>> Considering that in the SCA's 46 year history, there has been *one*  
>> Queen by right of arms and (I think) five or six Princesses by  
>> right of arms, that's a fairly reasonable assumption to make.
>>
>>       -Tivar Moondragon
>>
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