[Ansteorra] Children in the Sca

[Bree Flowers]

Fair enough, but can we ban the parents who didn't really want to have
children and refuse to watch them? As a parent myself I'm getting
really tired of having people foist their children off on my husband
and I because we actually watch our little bundles and bring all the
requisite supplies to entertain, feed and clothe them. I spent almost
the entire last event I attended with some stranger's kid tormenting
my family. We had to keep him from stepping on our sleeping newborn,
sitting in our picnic dinner, throwing game pieces at us, and stealing
my daughter's toy. And when I say "some stranger" I don't mean someone
I never met before dumped their kid with us, I mean I NEVER saw who
this child's parent was. I assume they were still in the hall, but
they might not have been for all I know. I've decided to stop
attending local events for a while because of this. I don't pay site
fee to come and watch other people's children when I could stay home
and just watch my own. And I'm not saying this is a local problem,
I've seen it all over the known world. Bad parents don't just give the
rest of us a bad name, they also drive us away because having kids
makes us a magnet for all the lost little ones out there and we're
tired of giving up events to play child minder to "the village".

I don't share the "it takes a village" philosophy. I believe my
husband and I should be watching our children AT ALL TIMES. If I
didn't feel like I had 100% of my time to devote to them I wouldn't
have had them. If you want us to watch your children and you ASK FIRST
I might say "yes" but you'll probably never have to reciprocate, lucky
you. That said, whoever left their kid with my husband and I really
did leave their kid with a total stranger, I mean we hardly come out
to anything and I can guarantee they wouldn't have even been able to
tell you my husband's name, much less decide if he was trustworthy or
not. In this day and age, with all the bad stuff we hear in the news
it boggles me that someone would turn their back on their child in
public for even a second. And if they were watching their tiny terror
"entertain" us and simply decided I had it under control... duuuuuude,
not cool!

~Eve


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Alma Danks <wenchalma at yahoo.com> wrote:
> As an auntie to many SCA children, I'd hate to see my "nieces and nephews" banned from events. I believe the SCA is about education, in our community the children want to learn. We would lose alot of members who have families. Members who provide valuable knowledge to our SCA family. I don't think that banning children from events is the answer. I don't claim to have the answers, but acting in haste will not solve any problems.
>
>
>  On Tue, 2/7/12, Franchesca Bush <franchescabush at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Franchesca Bush <franchescabush at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:00 PM
>
>
> In regards to that, I'm surprised there isn't an opportunity to sign up for
> membership at the event.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Randy Shipp <randyshipp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm always a little surprised at how much people can do in the SCA without
>> being members.  Most of the clubs and organizations I've been a part of or
>> known about have required membership to enjoy most of the privileges.
>>
>> --Antoine
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Cionaodh O'Hosey <
>> CionaodhOHosey at verizon.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Ld. Albin Oil De Larrun wrote:
>> >
>> >  Banning children from the Sca does not solve the problems of child abuse
>> >> or law suits.
>> >>
>> >
>> > But it does solve the problem of children being abused at SCA events and
>> > the SCA from being sued.
>> >
>> > The issue is not wether we want underage participation, but rather being
>> > honest about the costs and how we are going to pay those costs.
>> >
>> > People hate the idea of requiring memberships to play, the so called "pay
>> > to play" argument, but it is what is necessary to cover these costs.
>> >
>> > People hate the idea of "non-member charges" at events, but it is what is
>> > necessary to cover these costs.
>> >
>> > So what if we could reduce the drive to "pay to play" and "non-member
>> > charges" at events by going adult only?
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > If maintaining underage participation is a worthy goal then "pay for
>> play"
>> > and higher "non-member charges" may be required.
>> >
>> > OR
>> >
>> > The costs of serving the underage community and their families should be
>> > put more on to them than it already is.
>> >
>> > Cionaodh O'Hosey
>> >
>> >
>> >
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