[Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability

Rose rose_welch at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 7 21:56:11 PST 2012 

The West Crown has reported that each plaintiff will receive less than $25,000. (This is plausible if their representation was retained on a contingency plan.) If they were really after money, it wouldn't make sense for them to settle for this amount. If they were really after a change, 7m was a perfect wake-up call.



-Rose the Obnoxious 


 
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>________________________________
> From: Bill Tait <arwemakere at gmail.com>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
> 
>Ahh, but they were after 7M. That is punitive dollars.
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>
>William
>
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>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:43 PM, L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If it were really about money...they would have gone for punitive
>> damages...
>> 25,000 each sounds more like legal and counseling costs to me...
>>
>>
>> L
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>> ________________________________
>>  From: Paul DeLisle <ferretpd at gmail.com>
>> To: 'Rose' <rose_welch at yahoo.com>; "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <
>> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
>>
>> I disagree, Rose. This *IS* about money.
>> If it *weren't* about money, the settlement would be a Court-approved
>> modification to the SCA By-Laws.
>> I'm sorry to disillusion you, hun...but sadly...it *IS* about money (even
>> more sadly....mostly for the Lawyers.)
>>
>> Alden
>> (Disillusioned himself, more than a decade-and-a-half ago.)
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-
>> > bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Rose
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:36 PM
>> > To: Ansteorra
>> > Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
>> >
>> > Let's be clear about this:
>> >
>> > This case does not revolve around an isolated incident.
>> >
>> > This case does not revolve around a single perpetrator.
>> >
>> > This case was not brought by a single plaintiff.
>> >
>> > This case was brought by a group of plaintiffs, with their parents, who
>> > discovered that the SCA has a long history of abusers in leadership
>> roles.
>> > We're not alone; this problem is familiar to every organization that
>> deals
>> with
>> > a vulnerable populace.
>> >
>> > Unlike those organizations, we chose to do nothing. We didn't run
>> > background checks, we didn't require a two-deep rule, we rarely revoked
>> > memberships until a conviction was secure. We didn't even bother to send
>> > out Society announcements when these revocations occurred, a measure
>> > that may have served to keep us on our toes and would have cost us
>> > NOTHING. Long after the Boy Scouts and similar organization developed
>> best
>> > practices to safeguard their children, we did nothing.
>> >
>> > Even after the Schragger case, where twelve children came forward to
>> report
>> > abuse, we made NO changes. We didn't update our policies until AFTER we
>> > were sued by six of children that Lord Ben the Steward, AKA the 'Innocent
>> > Oak', had molested. That was the point of the suit.
>> >
>> > Do you still think that this lawsuit is about money?
>> >
>> > This lawsuit was about forcing the SCA to adopt standard best practices,
>> > which we have done. Now that we have done so, we no longer carry the
>> > same amount of liability that we did before 2007. (And our liability
>> insurance
>> > already went up. Some of you folks are really behind the times.)
>> >
>> > The Innocent Oak. That is what the local populace called him and the
>> symbol
>> > that they crafted onto items that they sold to raise funds for his
>> defense.
>> > Even after his conviction, a reported thirty Scadians showed up to his
>> 'Going
>> > To Prison' party to wish him farewell. Since then, there have been
>> twenty-
>> > nine revocation and denial of membership decisions rendered by the Board
>> > of Directors for conviction of predatory crimes. Twenty-four of these
>> have
>> > been with regard to abuse of minors.
>> >
>> > Again, let me ask. Are you still thinking about the money?
>> >
>> > I'm not. I'm thinking about a culture of abuse that we allowed to fester
>> in our
>> > Society, that contributed to the molestation of at least a dozen
>> children.
>> > Eighteen percent doesn't seem like a very large payment to rid ourselves
>> of
>> > that particular ailment, and it is worth noting that it would have been
>> > significantly cheaper - in gold and in blood - had we simply seen to the
>> issue
>> > when the first symptoms erupted.
>> >
>> > Blaming the children for a lawsuit that centered around the non-actions
>> of
>> > adults is stupid. Working to punish children in the future for an issue
>> that was
>> > corrected in the past is even more stupid.
>> >
>> > And that's my tuppence.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Lady Rose the Obnoxious
>> >
>> >
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