[Ansteorra] Participation vs. Recruitment
Biatrichi Di Palermo
biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 08:23:11 PST 2012
The 16 pages is no more no less from corporate.
Bia
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Derek Harris <eats.bugs at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you change the layout, you'll need to increase space in multiples of 4 pages, yes?
>
> Derek Harris (via iPhone)
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The new Black Star is limited to 16 pages. I am going to need a couple of months to work out the layout and then we can see about new features.
>>
>> However, you can see all of the local newsletters on their website or through email.
>>
>> Bia
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:42 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's one thing I really liked about being a local chronicler. I got to
>>> see local newsletters for other groups, and I got to see what other local
>>> groups were doing. If we can tap into that energy on the kingdom level
>>> (maybe just one or two articles a month), not only would we widen the
>>> audience pool for those creators, but we would also create a greater
>>> cohesion among groups within Ansteorra. I fear that much of what is done on
>>> the local level is lost outside of each group. Greater visibility for local
>>> group activities? That's definitely a plus. Less isolation? Also a plus.
>>>
>>> What minuses? Increased cost in printing? That will probably be offset by
>>> the transition to an online *Black Star*. What other thoughts?
>>>
>>> I just got home from class (driving through the thickest fog I remember
>>> driving through in a long time). My brain is worn out.
>>>
>>> Det
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <
>>> biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My local chroniclers do an excellent job recruiting content for the local
>>>> newsletters. I feel lucky to see them all.
>>>>
>>>> Bia
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That would only be an incentive to weekend SCA'ers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts about local chroniclers encouraging their submitters to
>>>>> consider submitting to the *Black Star*?
>>>>>
>>>>> Detlef again (and off to teach classes)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jessica Doss <jdennison6913 at yahoo.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe include one "gift" site fee per year with paid membership. Up to
>>>> a
>>>>>> set amount.... Johanna of Bjornsborg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that won't work.....raising the price of membership will not
>>>> encourage
>>>>>>> people to become members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <beats head on desk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can we raise the price of a sustaining membership to include a
>>>>>>>> subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Detlef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree, cozyn. The corporation has really hogtied us with the
>>>> changes
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> what a subscribing membership gets you. We should have tanked the
>>>>>>>>> corporation years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About the only remaining argument in favor of memberships is the
>>>>>> "support
>>>>>>>>> your local group" tack, but even I no longer accept that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tant pis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> En Lyonel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:27 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not so much analysis as raw data. Draw whatever conclusions you can.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Participation is indeed based on memberships. The problem is that
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> officers and weekend SCA'ers (who go to calendar events outside of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> local groups) benefit from subscribing memberships. Exactly how do
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> encourage weekday SCA'ers who are not officers (who go almost
>>>>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>>>>>> only to events within their local groups) to subscribe? We can't
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>> tack a non-member surcharge to weekday events, because the vast
>>>>>>>>> majority of
>>>>>>>>>> them do not involve a site fee.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I first subscribed as a member of the SCA, the sustaining
>>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>>> included a subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*. That quarterly
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> worth the price of membership itself. Without that subscription, a
>>>>>>>>>> sustaining membership is little more than a qualification to hold
>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>> and a way to dodge a non-member surcharge. The information presented
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> kingdom newsletter like *Black Star* benefits weekend SCA'ers and
>>>>>>>>> officers
>>>>>>>>>> far more than it does weekday SCA'ers. There is not much incentive
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'er to become a subscribing member.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The price of a sustaining membership in the SCA--including the
>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>> increases--is still far lower than the price of membership in most
>>>>>>>>>> professional and academic organizations, but I doubt that many
>>>>>> younger
>>>>>>>>>> newcomers to the SCA can appreciate that fact. If we are able to
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'ers to become subscribing members, local groups would be
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>> to maintain their required membership numbers, and the generated
>>>>>> revenue
>>>>>>>>>> would allow increases in the price of membership to be lower than
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> been in the recent past.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again--how do we do that? Do we make subscribing memberships more
>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to weekday SCA'ers, or do we find some means other than
>>>>>>>>>> membership numbers alone to measure participation?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm only asking questions. I really don't have any answers. I wish I
>>>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Detlef
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Salut cozyns,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>>>>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>>>>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>>>>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>>>>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>>>>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>>>>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>>>>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
>>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
>>>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
>>>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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