[Ansteorra] Participation vs. Recruitment
Lisa May
maaggie1 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 08:29:35 PST 2012
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Maggie
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <
biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
> The 16 pages is no more no less from corporate.
>
> Bia
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Derek Harris <eats.bugs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you change the layout, you'll need to increase space in multiples of
> 4 pages, yes?
> >
> > Derek Harris (via iPhone)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <
> biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The new Black Star is limited to 16 pages. I am going to need a couple
> of months to work out the layout and then we can see about new features.
> >>
> >> However, you can see all of the local newsletters on their website or
> through email.
> >>
> >> Bia
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:42 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's one thing I really liked about being a local chronicler. I got
> to
> >>> see local newsletters for other groups, and I got to see what other
> local
> >>> groups were doing. If we can tap into that energy on the kingdom level
> >>> (maybe just one or two articles a month), not only would we widen the
> >>> audience pool for those creators, but we would also create a greater
> >>> cohesion among groups within Ansteorra. I fear that much of what is
> done on
> >>> the local level is lost outside of each group. Greater visibility for
> local
> >>> group activities? That's definitely a plus. Less isolation? Also a
> plus.
> >>>
> >>> What minuses? Increased cost in printing? That will probably be offset
> by
> >>> the transition to an online *Black Star*. What other thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> I just got home from class (driving through the thickest fog I remember
> >>> driving through in a long time). My brain is worn out.
> >>>
> >>> Det
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <
> >>> biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My local chroniclers do an excellent job recruiting content for the
> local
> >>>> newsletters. I feel lucky to see them all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bia
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> That would only be an incentive to weekend SCA'ers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any thoughts about local chroniclers encouraging their submitters to
> >>>>> consider submitting to the *Black Star*?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Detlef again (and off to teach classes)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jessica Doss <
> jdennison6913 at yahoo.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe include one "gift" site fee per year with paid membership.
> Up to
> >>>> a
> >>>>>> set amount.... Johanna of Bjornsborg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No, that won't work.....raising the price of membership will not
> >>>> encourage
> >>>>>>> people to become members.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <beats head on desk>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can we raise the price of a sustaining membership to include a
> >>>>>>>> subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Detlef
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Sir Lyonel <
> sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I agree, cozyn. The corporation has really hogtied us with the
> >>>> changes
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> what a subscribing membership gets you. We should have tanked the
> >>>>>>>>> corporation years ago.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> About the only remaining argument in favor of memberships is the
> >>>>>> "support
> >>>>>>>>> your local group" tack, but even I no longer accept that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tant pis.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> En Lyonel
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:27 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Not so much analysis as raw data. Draw whatever conclusions you
> can.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Participation is indeed based on memberships. The problem is
> that
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>>> officers and weekend SCA'ers (who go to calendar events outside
> of
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> local groups) benefit from subscribing memberships. Exactly how
> do
> >>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>> encourage weekday SCA'ers who are not officers (who go almost
> >>>>>>>>> exclusively
> >>>>>>>>>> only to events within their local groups) to subscribe? We can't
> >>>>>> exactly
> >>>>>>>>>> tack a non-member surcharge to weekday events, because the vast
> >>>>>>>>> majority of
> >>>>>>>>>> them do not involve a site fee.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When I first subscribed as a member of the SCA, the sustaining
> >>>>>>>>> membership
> >>>>>>>>>> included a subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*. That
> quarterly
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> worth the price of membership itself. Without that
> subscription, a
> >>>>>>>>>> sustaining membership is little more than a qualification to
> hold
> >>>>>> office
> >>>>>>>>>> and a way to dodge a non-member surcharge. The information
> presented
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> kingdom newsletter like *Black Star* benefits weekend SCA'ers
> and
> >>>>>>>>> officers
> >>>>>>>>>> far more than it does weekday SCA'ers. There is not much
> incentive
> >>>>>> for a
> >>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'er to become a subscribing member.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The price of a sustaining membership in the SCA--including the
> >>>> recent
> >>>>>>>>>> increases--is still far lower than the price of membership in
> most
> >>>>>>>>>> professional and academic organizations, but I doubt that many
> >>>>>> younger
> >>>>>>>>>> newcomers to the SCA can appreciate that fact. If we are able to
> >>>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'ers to become subscribing members, local groups
> would be
> >>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>> to maintain their required membership numbers, and the generated
> >>>>>> revenue
> >>>>>>>>>> would allow increases in the price of membership to be lower
> than
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> been in the recent past.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Again--how do we do that? Do we make subscribing memberships
> more
> >>>>>>>>>> beneficial to weekday SCA'ers, or do we find some means other
> than
> >>>>>>>>>> membership numbers alone to measure participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm only asking questions. I really don't have any answers. I
> wish I
> >>>>>>>>> did.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Detlef
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Sir Lyonel <
> sirlyonel at hotmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Salut cozyns,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
> >>>>>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
> >>>>>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
> >>>>>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
> >>>>>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
> >>>>>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
> >>>>>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
> >>>>>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
> >>>>>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
> >>>>>>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
> >>>>>>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
> >>>>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
> >>>>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
> >>>>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
> >>>>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
> >>>>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
> >>>>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
> >>>>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
> >>>>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
> >>>>>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
> >>>>>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
> >>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
> >>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
> >>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
> >>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
> >>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
> >>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
> >>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
> >>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
> >>>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
> >>>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
> >>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
> >>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
> >>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
> >>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
> >>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
> >>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
> >>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
> >>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
> >>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
> >>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
> >>> _______________________________________________
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Cheers,
Lisa
"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily but eat and drink as
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