[Ansteorra] on leaving the SCA--
Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner
BurgBorrendohl at valornet.com
Tue Feb 5 17:29:26 PST 2013
Thank you, Old Friend.
Ismet
On 2/5/2013 7:00 PM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
> greetings
>
> ok, having read all these posts , I believe that there is an ongoing
> communication issue .
> as has been pointed out in the past , this is the modern internet, not
> face to face communication .
> a lot of things , don't translate to this electronic media well. such
> as tonal inflection, facial expressions, body language, etc.
>
> while lady ismet used the " soup Nazi " term as an example , to
> illustrate her point, she did not say she wanted to run around calling
> her friends Nazi's.
> back before pc patrol members and even email lists were around , I had
> a friend who's security guard uniform made him look like a Nazi
> officer. when ever people would call him a Nazi , he would snap to
> attention , slap his heels together , do the stiff arm salute, and
> say " BIG SMILE " to which people would either crack up laughing , or
> walk away disgusted , but they stopped attacking him verbally...
> he was in no way saying the Nazi's were something to look up to, but
> was in fact trying to improve a bad situation.
>
> in turn , your posts lady astridr , when read can come across as
> verbal attacks ,( even though you probably didn't intend that at all,
> emotion can hinder online communication ( in both directions ) in many
> ways ) because someone mentioned a word you loath .
> even the way you speak of the " period Nazi " in your last post comes
> across as an attack.
>
> " Because that's what is going on when you call someone a "period
> Nazi", you're trying to make them feel bad about the thing that brings
> them joy."
>
> I don't think you were trying to say that its not ok to call someone a
> period Nazi when they are pouncing on nubies, ( or even old time
> members ) ,talking down to those they have chosen to attack , because
> those people are enjoying attacking and belittling someone that
> probably doesn't know that everyone isn't going to treat them like
> that , and by calling them a Nazi, they might have " their " feelings
> hurt .
> (which makes it sound like its not ok to call a bully a name because
> it might hurt their feelings. )
> but that's how it can read .besides would calling them American
> cavalry be any better ?? how many thousands of women and children did
> they kill to make way for more white settlers ? and there are many
> other groups and governments that have acted just as badly.
>
>
> in the old days ( early 80's ) it didn't matter that in the real world
> we were losers, geeks, dreamers,etc. because when we went to an event
> , or a revel, or a practice , we weren't Joe geek, Moe loser, or
> Denise dreamer , we were " lord " or " lady " somebody , from
> someplace far off , and we were honorable, and chivalrous , and we
> tried to act accordingly in our home made t-tunic and jeans , and our
> carpet armor with Freon can helm and shopping cart face grills.
> we bowed to the ladies, we bowed to anyone with a crown ( ok so some
> of them were undoubtedly coronets , but to us they were crowns, and
> thus to be respected. )
> but many times it seems that as we have tried to become more " period"
> we may have become in some ways " TOO PERIOD " we now have all the
> back stabbing ,political maneuvering , and caste systems of much of
> the middle ages ... the only things missing are the hereditary royals,
> and poisoning the nobles , so some other " noble " could take his
> place : ( , at least the " knights " aren't " taking their pleasure "
> with every milk maid they come across , or robbing the peasants (
> thank you good sir knights : )
>
> we used to go to events to relax , and enter a fantasy world , brought
> to life by everyone there ,( anyone remember wolfstar blowing horns
> all night on one end of the site, and rolling thunder playing drums
> all night on the other end of site ?? , or how about wandering from
> camp to camp listening to many different bards sing songs, or tell
> tales by the camp fire ?? or even watching the children ( and some
> adults, if I recall namron or was it weisenfeuer ? had a very potent
> maypole =) dancing the may pole ?? ) but now dancing the maypole is
> considered npc ( not politically correct ) since it is a " fertility "
> dance and anyone under 21 shouldn't be near it, because we could be
> held liable and sued ) , now it seems that we go to events, to climb
> some ladder, or work, or complain that someone else isn't playing the
> way we like... but you don't hear people talking about how much fun
> some event was , you hear about somebody suing , or some lawsuit, or
> ways to avoid the possibility of either. so we seem to have traded in
> fun for fear : (
>
> anyway , I hope I haven't added to the confusion, and communication
> problems, or offended anyone.
> this is after all just my opinion , which is just as common ( or
> valuable ) as anyone else's, and I hope that it does provoke thought
> without provoking anger : )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Flowers" <evethejust at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] on leaving the SCA--
>
>
>> Okay, clearly I am being misunderstood. I really don't get it. I don't
>> understand how one person saying "I should be freely able to apply
>> this horrible moniker to my friends" and someone else saying "because
>> it's both out-of-period and hurtful" is a bad thing. I didn't say that
>> anything else in their message was wrong. Feel free to embrace the
>> rest of it and enjoy.
>>
>> When someone says "not being allowed to use this hurtful term in jest
>> is spoiling my fun", I'm put in mind of the popular kids in school who
>> would have said that calling many of us "geeks and losers" (and worse
>> things I'm sure) was just them having fun. If what you are doing is
>> hurtful to someone else, and if fun can be had without it, then I
>> don't get why anyone would defend it as "okay". It's not "political
>> correctness" to say that the term is inappropriate. If you want to
>> compare it to any modern movement it's more like anti-bullying.
>> Because that's what is going on when you call someone a "period nazi",
>> you're trying to make them feel bad about the thing that brings them
>> joy.
>>
>> We don't call our friends whores, despots or murderers, so why do we
>> call any of them nazis? I mean unless they actually were members of
>> that political movement and participated in the mass genocides, in
>> which case have at it.
>>
>> ~Astridr
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Sir Chiang <chiang at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>> I would say that sounds a bit harsh, and overly sarcastic. Maybe it
>>> was not
>>> meant that way but it sure reads like that.
>>> I know that stuff like what you have written has made me question
>>> why I put
>>> so much into this game. I too mourn the lose of so many people that
>>> I looked
>>> up to and set the examples for me to follow.
>>> Lately I have been asking myself why I keep at it, best answer I
>>> can give
>>> myself is that I have put too much investment in it and made some
>>> promises
>>> that have yet to be fulfilled. When are accomplished, I will probably
>>> rethink a lot too.
>>> Your humble servant,
>>> Sir Chiang
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Flowers"
>>> <evethejust at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:00 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] on leaving the SCA--
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow, really? Someone saying their feelings were hurt and that the
>>>> dream was tarnished was inspirational but someone else suggesting that
>>>> we treat our friends with respect and kindness and that being "period"
>>>> isn't a daunting task, and doesn't require hours of research but
>>>> simply a little bit of effort in the moment saps your will to
>>>> participate? Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> ~Astridr
>>>
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