[Ansteorra] on leaving the SCA--

[Katy H]

When I started in the SCA, it was no big deal to hear the term Period Nazi.
It was thrown around quite frequently and I thought nothing of it. I
actually picked up the term and used it myself.

Then I moved to the East and met a whole group of wonderful people
including a wonderful woman who introduced me to her grandfather. A man who
had to leave his home because of the Nazi party and relocate to the states.
She approached me and told me how hurtful she found the term. It was at
that point that I realized that just because it meant nothing to me, did
not mean that it didn't mean something to someone one else.

The same thing occurred not too recently when I used the term "gyped". I
was thankful that a friend approached me quietly and respectfully but
again, it was nothing something that meant anything to me, a term I had
been raised with, but it meant a great deal to him.

I'm not sure why I am even bothering with this conversation, it seems
people pretty much have their minds made up but I felt the need to share.
Maybe it will help someone rethink their usage.

--Dena


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Tina Michael <tinabetta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  It is soooo easy to be misconstrued and misconstrue on web threads. We
> are
> > all friends here even if we don't like everybody all the time. All this
> > arguing over a term I will not mention that is used pretty much
> everywhere
> > is a bit silly.
>
>
> And I'm sure that folks that all the hoohah about trying to remove other
> derogatory terms from common speech was silly...unless of course, you were
> part of the affected group.  We do tend to not call each other nasty names
> on this list, so why does calling someone a "FITB-Nazi" get a free pass?  I
> am genuinely confused.
>
>
> > Free speech is still around so if you do not agree with
> > something someone has said, unless you are truely spoiling for a fight,
> put
> > on your big girl pants and move on.
>
>
> Um, no?  I'm trying to not just sit quietly when someone uses a phrase that
> may truly be hurtful to another, since as someone else has so helpfully
> pointed out, we don't know who's reading the list.  I wouldn't let someone
> get away with using another derogatory phrase slung at friends, and I won't
> "put on my big girl panties and move on."  Sorry.  We have too many fine
> words in the English language to rely on 20th century evil to describe
> folks who are playing the game differently than you or I might.  Just
> because you have the right to say something doesn't mean you have the right
> to be heard, or to have folks agree with you.  Also, free speech only means
> that the government can't muzzle you, not that folks can't object to your
> words.
>
>
> > Everyone here knows in their heart that
> > the N word was not directed at anyone and not meant to harm but to
> > illustrate a point. Stop reading things into it that are not there and
> move
> > along.
>
>
> It might not have been MEANT to harm, but intent is not magical.  If I
> accidentally run over your foot, it doesn't hurt less because I didn't MEAN
> to.  That broken vase doesn't unbreak itself because I didn't mean to drop
> it.
>
>  I know of at least one person who HAS been hurt by being called an
> "authenticity Nazi," so yeah, I'm going to say something. I try not to
> attack anyone, although evidently unless you agree fawningly with everyone
> else, you're launching attacks.  I've linked to this entry before,
> yesterday actually, but here it is again.
> http://attack-laurel.livejournal.com/65495.html
>
> That conversation in moving us no where. Let's apologize and stop
> > being so mean.
>
>
> Is a false apology really what you want?
>
>
> > When you have been in the SCA as long as Ismet you can
> > pretty much say what you like because everyone knows you, loves you and
> > knows you are not being mean. Love you, Ismet! You too Damon!
> >
>
> Um, no, again.  Being well-loved and well-known are not free passes to say
> something and expect no disagreement.
>
>
> > enjoyment of being in our proper time we could get people to
> > play with us.
>
>
>  I don't quite get this last sentence.  Oh, I understand the getting folks
> to play with us, but proper time?
>
> Helene Dalassene
> --
> "Whatever their fond sentiments for men and women in uniform, for most
> Americans the war remains an abstraction – a distant and unpleasant series
> of news items that do not affect them personally."- Robert Gates, Secretary
> of Defense.
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