ARCH - Re: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

Michael J. Harkness mharkness at
Fri Apr 13 19:28:19 PDT 2001

I still say wear some lexan shield over the grill or under it for CA. If
that is what the fighter wants.  Have the person take responsableitly for
his /her own protection. I have shot more arrows at live human targets then
I can count the graines of sand in a coke bottle. ""Eye protection is the
I have gotten dirt,grass, mud, twiggs inside my grill do I complain about
it. Except a bee that that did drive my crazy untill I got my helm off
before he could sting me. It was in the middle of a melee at that. ran like
hell to the side lines and helm flew off. Marshels were worryed until I
yelled bee inb my helm.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-ansteorra-archery at
[mailto:owner-ansteorra-archery at]On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:34 AM
  To: ansteorra-archery at
  Subject: Re: ARCH - Re: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

  I absolutely agree.  If they "have to be", then we must do so.  However;
there are other things that can be done to increase the safety of the game
we play that will be _far_ more effective than any useable change we could
make to Ansteorran crossbows.

  Checking one's equipment for serviceability and compliance with
regulations is a very good thing and should be done often.  However, I'm not
aware of any Ansteorran bows or crossbows, and I personnally checked many of
them at the war, that were not in compliance with current regs.

  There are many ways to peel an onion.  Most folks want to do it in such a
way so they do get the oinon juice in there eyes.  That limits those many
way down to those that keeps their eyes safe.  There's only four I know of.
1) Have some one else do, 2) Peel it under water, 3) Peel it with a shop vac
right there to get the onion juice, and 4) Wear protective eye wear.

  Much the same is true we our current situation.  But the real question
doesn't lie in what can be done to make it safer.  The real question is how
safe is safer?  As long as there is a chance the back end of the arrow can
get inside the helm there will be, however remote, a chance it will make it
to the eye.  What chance out of a million, a billion, a trillion is
exceptable to you and the SEM?  Because as long as there is a chance, it can
happen.  There are only 3 thing I know of that will reduce the chance to
ZERO: 1) Don't have combat archery, 2) Make the back end bigger, in a
noncollaspeable manner, than the openings of the helm, 3) Personnel eye
protection that will not allow contact with the eye by a foreign object.

  So what is level of safety we are looking for?  Once we know that, then,
possibly an answer to that question can be found.


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Stasya mihal
    To: Bob Dewart ; ansteorra-archery at ; Ansteorra-Announce
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:02 PM
    Subject: ARCH - Re: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

    HL Gilbert
    If the crossbows and bolts have to be changed to increase the safety of
the game we are playing.  Then it will be done.  We are currently testing
for standards to better check crossbows and standard ammunition.  The
technology being used has gotten past the standards that have been used in
the past.  Without data to support a conclusion either way.  If a marshall
requests your cooperation in the testing, please help them.
    The quicker we have data and standards.  The better able we will be to
set the standards rather than have them imposed on us.
      Sincerely, a favorite archery target Sir Wilhelm EARL MARSHALL

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bob Dewart
      Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:40 PM
      To: ansteorra-archery at; Ansteorra-Announce
      Subject: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

      Attention combat archers!!!

      There is a move a foot to require you to have some sort of bulbous
nock or
      other ABD on your arrow or bolt.  If this happens every combat arrow
      bolt in this Kingdom will have to be redone.  And many crossbows will
at a
      minimum have to be reworked.

      I am for eye safety.  Current SCA rules allow the participant to use
one of
      several forms personnel eye protection.  Personnal eye protection is
      answer, not making the arrows harder to use.

      I ask you to join with me and express your displeasure at this
movement to
      your Regional Archery Marshal, Kingdom Archery Marshal, Kingdom Earl
      Marshal, Crown, the Board of Directors and Society Officers.  Consult
      Black Star for current address.

      We may not be able to stop this railroad, but at least we can make it
      that _we_are_not_happy.

      HL Gilbert Ost Westley

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