ARCH - Re: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

Bob Dewart gilli at
Fri Apr 13 09:33:48 PDT 2001

I absolutely agree.  If they "have to be", then we must do so.  However; there are other things that can be done to increase the safety of the game we play that will be _far_ more effective than any useable change we could make to Ansteorran crossbows.

Checking one's equipment for serviceability and compliance with regulations is a very good thing and should be done often.  However, I'm not aware of any Ansteorran bows or crossbows, and I personnally checked many of them at the war, that were not in compliance with current regs.  

There are many ways to peel an onion.  Most folks want to do it in such a way so they do get the oinon juice in there eyes.  That limits those many way down to those that keeps their eyes safe.  There's only four I know of. 1) Have some one else do, 2) Peel it under water, 3) Peel it with a shop vac right there to get the onion juice, and 4) Wear protective eye wear.

Much the same is true we our current situation.  But the real question doesn't lie in what can be done to make it safer.  The real question is how safe is safer?  As long as there is a chance the back end of the arrow can get inside the helm there will be, however remote, a chance it will make it to the eye.  What chance out of a million, a billion, a trillion is exceptable to you and the SEM?  Because as long as there is a chance, it can happen.  There are only 3 thing I know of that will reduce the chance to ZERO: 1) Don't have combat archery, 2) Make the back end bigger, in a noncollaspeable manner, than the openings of the helm, 3) Personnel eye protection that will not allow contact with the eye by a foreign object.

So what is level of safety we are looking for?  Once we know that, then, possibly an answer to that question can be found.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stasya mihal 
  To: Bob Dewart ; ansteorra-archery at ; Ansteorra-Announce 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:02 PM
  Subject: ARCH - Re: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

  HL Gilbert
  If the crossbows and bolts have to be changed to increase the safety of the game we are playing.  Then it will be done.  We are currently testing for standards to better check crossbows and standard ammunition.  The technology being used has gotten past the standards that have been used in the past.  Without data to support a conclusion either way.  If a marshall requests your cooperation in the testing, please help them.
  The quicker we have data and standards.  The better able we will be to set the standards rather than have them imposed on us. 
    Sincerely, a favorite archery target Sir Wilhelm EARL MARSHALL

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Bob Dewart
    Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:40 PM
    To: ansteorra-archery at; Ansteorra-Announce
    Subject: ANST-Announce - History repeat itself

    Attention combat archers!!!

    There is a move a foot to require you to have some sort of bulbous nock or
    other ABD on your arrow or bolt.  If this happens every combat arrow  and
    bolt in this Kingdom will have to be redone.  And many crossbows will at a
    minimum have to be reworked.

    I am for eye safety.  Current SCA rules allow the participant to use one of
    several forms personnel eye protection.  Personnal eye protection is the
    answer, not making the arrows harder to use.

    I ask you to join with me and express your displeasure at this movement to
    your Regional Archery Marshal, Kingdom Archery Marshal, Kingdom Earl
    Marshal, Crown, the Board of Directors and Society Officers.  Consult your
    Black Star for current address.

    We may not be able to stop this railroad, but at least we can make it known
    that _we_are_not_happy.

    HL Gilbert Ost Westley
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