ARCH - Enough is enough
gilli at seacove.net
Fri Apr 20 07:09:25 PDT 2001
Sounds to me you all need to do what I'm going to do. And that is go to
UHMW head and fiberglass shafts. Adding the UHMW nock will add about 19
cents to the cost of the arrow. Actually they'll cost about 25 cent each to
make but the plastic nock they'll be replacing is 6 cents you won't have to
I don't yet know how many survived the war. Plus I still have about 800
that didn't get fininshed. So on all the wood, I'll put the new nocks.
Plus we planed to make 500 - 1,000 new fiberglass ones. At least that is
To be perfectly honest, which is a problem I have, I want to see what
happens next. When we, Ansteorra, show up at the next war with at least as
many if not more arrows than we had this year.
This coming year, if all goes well, may be just like Gulf War II. The other
side didn't have many arrows or archers so we loaned them half of the arrow
bow we sent to the war.
Another thought I have is, if we could arrange it, no arrcher shoot at
another archer at the war, next year only. Isn't that eveil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed McHenry" <rampanthare at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: ARCH - Enough is enough
> I am afraid that I would have to agree with Nuala. At
> Gulf War we lost 80% of the arrows we took. This is
> already a expensive hobby. The new regulations just
> add to the cost. With the additional restrictions we
> will not be able to "fill the air with a glorious rain
> of death" that was so impressive at Gulf.
> --- Eadric Anstapa <eadric at scabrewer.com> wrote:
> > Nuala,
> > A couple of notes in response to your message.
> > 1. You are correct about the crossbow. With the
> > currently approved designs
> > virtually every crossbow in this kingdom will be in
> > trouble. That's why
> > every crossbow archer out there needs to be thinking
> > of an alternative
> > nock-end safety device that will work in current
> > crossbows and the work with
> > the marshallate to get it approved.
> > 2. I agree that the SEMs decision was made too
> > hastily and I know our
> > Kingdom Archery Marshal and likely our Earl Marshal
> > agree. We were NOT
> > given the time to come up with alternatives that the
> > SEM had indicated that
> > we would have. We thought we would have till July
> > to come up with
> > alternatives and that the SEM would make a decision
> > in August not have
> > something in effect in by August.
> > As far as broadcast is concerned, it has been
> > discussed between the various
> > kingdom Earl Marshals and their direct deputies.
> > Lord Fearghus and Sir
> > Wilhelm spoke with the archery marshallate at Red
> > Tape and directed us to
> > start taking action and to spread the word and rally
> > the troops to start
> > looking for alternatives. Unfortunately that has
> > been barely a month and it
> > is doubtful that all of the marshals have had the
> > time to speak with their
> > local archers.
> > 3. Yep, a Lexan face shield on every fighter would
> > do it and so would
> > safety glasses/goggles. It aint gunna happen.
> > 4. It isn't the death of combat archery. Other
> > kingdoms have required some
> > sort of bulbous nock for a while and God forbid
> > there are those Goof Tube
> > kingdoms out there. Combat Archery still lives.
> > There are more creative
> > and talented people in the SCA than nearly any other
> > organization you will
> > find. I am convinced that if we pull together we
> > can work through this and
> > come up even better alternatives in time. If
> > anything it has the potential
> > of bringing CA to kingdoms where it is currently not
> > allowed and perhaps the
> > Goof Tube kingdoms will now allow fiberglass shafted
> > arrows with an APD.
> > In the mean time, as Gilli has suggested write a
> > letter to the BOD, SEM, and
> > SAM and let them know what you think. Try to stay
> > constructive. I wrote
> > one, I got a reply.
> > In Service,
> > Lord Eadric Anstapa
> > Coastal Regional Archery Marshal, Ansteorra
> > eadric at scabrewer.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <lizdenpeters at juno.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: ARCH - Enough is enough
> > > Gilli,
> > >
> > > I read all the postings on the list regarding the
> > combat archery
> > > question. There were a number of things I noticed
> > about this.
> > >
> > > 1) There was no broadcast from the SEM prior to
> > making his decision.
> > > Everything on the list was second or third hand.
> > On an issue of such
> > > importance, it is my feeling that the SEM should
> > have made a kingdom wide
> > > announcement delineating the issue(s) to be
> > addressed including an
> > > address for such concerns to be forwarded to.
> > >
> > > 2) Combat arrows are difficult to control under
> > current rules and will be
> > > impossible to control under the rules effective
> > August 1, 2001. Also,
> > > they are the death knell for combat crossbows. It
> > will be impossible to
> > > use the new mandate for crossbows currently in
> > use. To use the combat
> > > bolts under the new rules will require a special
> > crossbow designed and
> > > used for combat purposes only. This will be cost
> > prohibitive for most of
> > > us.
> > >
> > > 3) A much simpler solution would be adding
> > screening or lexan to the
> > > helms currently in use. A cost of less than $5.00
> > would not only prevent
> > > injuries from bounce back but from sticks, rocks
> > and other dangers as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > 4) I hate to say it but it would appear that the
> > archery community must
> > > arbitrarily correct something without looking for
> > any other, simpler
> > > solutions, Apparently we must NOT ask the other
> > participants on the
> > > field to do anything considerate for the archery
> > participants.
> > >
> > > It appears to me that this ruling is arbitrary and
> > much to the delight of
> > > the fighters will, in effect, kill the sport of
> > combat archery. At least
> > > we can still shoot static archery and have
> > tournaments until they decide
> > > that is too dangerous too. See you at the
> > bonfire.
> > >
> > > In service to the dream,
> > >
> > > Nuala of Arkham
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