[Ansteorra-archery] Combat Archery training drills

Mike Catron meggiddo at netzero.net
Mon May 14 10:53:33 PDT 2001 

Yes, this what both the Central Regional Warlord and I were discussing
in the park on Sunday. How to involve both archers and fighters into a
more real world scenario instead of shooting at static targets.

Michael of the Fray

Wilim Penbras wrote:
>
> You know I like the way that tournament idea is going.  I would also suggest that the archery have 5 fighters available on his side who could only be activated if the archer got within 10 feet of them.  These fighters would act as protection for archer.  The archer would/could be judged on total kills minus total fighters they 'activated' to help them.  This would represent pulling a fighter from other areas he could be working if the archer's tactics/aim were better.
>
> If I go up and kill 5 fighters and then die on the sixth one, it would be the same as another archer who went up and kill 6 fighters and died on the seventh but had to pull a 'protector' from his place in the line.  Likewise if someone killed 10 but had the entire line of 5 protectors helping him it would be about equal wouldn't it.
>
> That would include fighters and archers work with each other against a common foe.  That seems more like what we want to promote.
>
> Wilim
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Mike Catron <meggiddo at netzero.net>
> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:15:47 -0500
>
> >I have question, which is - The fighter is a cut-out or something
> >similar and not an actual fighter?
> >
> >If the answer is, Yes to the above question. If there are no real
> >fighters involved in which the archer must survive then the scenario is
> >extremely limited in scope and lacking in real world applications.
> >
> >I would suggest another scenario that our Central Region Warlord
> >suggested to me at the joint Elfsea and Steppes practice Sunday at
> >Randol Mills park.
> >
> >I wish to thank the Barony of Elfsea and HE Galen for hosting the
> >practice there.
> >
> >
> >If you wish to conduct such a Tournament then include 4 or 5 fighters
> >with sword and shield, poles, ax and shield, etc... Space them out
> >evenly across a wide field - which you should have at Warlord. Distance
> >should roughly be 20 or 30 yards from the archer. Place the archer in
> >the center.
> >
> >The archer must kill as many and/or all the fighters. The minimum
> >distance that an archer can use their bow is 15 feet, anything shorter
> >and the archer is disqualified.
> >
> >The fighters must remain at their location until the following occurs:
> >
> >The archer kills them, they walk off the field.
> >
> >An arrow flies within 10 feet of them, in which case they are now
> >allowed to moved. In other words, they are now allowed to chase down the
> >archer and kill the archer, if they can.
> >
> >The archer comes with 10 feet of them and thus freeing the fighter to
> >move to give and/or join the chase to kill the archer.
> >
> >If the archer is not aware of the their placement or location on the
> >field in relation to the fighters, then the scenario could be all the
> >fighters are released by the archer who comes too close to them.
> >
> >This would demonstrate the necessary knowledge that a Combat Archer
> >needs to survive on the battlefield. Then the title Combat Archer of
> >Steppes from such a Tournament would actual means something in the world
> >that a Combat Archer must fight in on the battlefield!
> >
> >Fighting at Gulf War in the open field battles demonstrated what is the
> >normal for a lot of Combat Archers - meaning being run down by fighters.
> >
> >It would also provide an excellent means of training Combat Archers for
> >action involving fighters.
> >
> >The above scenario should include both experience and brand new
> >individuals to archery, plus the same type of mix for the fighters. In
> >addition, getting fighters and archers working together in a training
> >scenario. This would provide a true taste of combat for all involve.
> >
> >In the long run it should provide Combat Archers with some clue of what
> >they can expect in future battles for the glory of Ansteorra!
> >
> >
> >Michael of the Fray
> >
> >
> >
> >ironwyrm at juno.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Both target and real archer, a contest of both cunning and skill!  The
> >> archer will be required to not just kill his opponent but also defend his
> >> own static fighter target before limited arrows & time run out.
> >>
> >> It should be fast and furious, a hoot to watch as well as compete!
> >>
> >> Ironwyrm
> >>
> >> On Fri, 11 May 2001 10:28:25 -0500 "Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor
> >> (Anteon Corp)" <Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> writes:
> >> > OK, sounds good to me.  Unless there's a better idea, go ahead and
> >> > talk to
> >> > the event stewards.  I'll wait till to Announce till I hear from
> >> > you.  It
> >> > would be nice to be able to announce several right off the bat.
> >> >
> >> > Now on this combat archer thing is that a real archer vs. archer or
> >> > are we
> >> > shooting at targets representing our opponents?
> >> >
> >> > Gilli
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: ironwyrm at juno.com [mailto:ironwyrm at juno.com]
> >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:24 AM
> >> > To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Auction
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gilli,
> >> >
> >> > Steppes Warlord is coming up on the 25th of May (Memorial Day
> >> > Weekend),
> >> > if this not too soon for you to put together an auction I belive I
> >> > can
> >> > clear it with the Autocrats.
> >> >
> >> > On Saturday morning at 11 AM there will be a Combat Archery
> >> > Tournament
> >> > held for the title of Combat Archer of the Steppes.
> >> >
> >> > Since this is the first time this tournament has been held (as I
> >> > know) we
> >> > hope it will draw a good number of competitors to be the premier
> >> > title
> >> > holder.  It would also seem to be a good starting place to kick the
> >> > auctions off.
> >> >
> >> > Your thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Ironwyrm
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 11 May 2001 09:51:50 -0500 "Dewart, Charles R. --G3
> >> > Contractor
> >> > (Anteon Corp)" <Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> writes:
> >> > > Greetings and Hi There,
> >> > >
> >> > > If there isn't a real good reason not to, I will post to the
> >> > > announce list
> >> > > about the silent auction to support compiling with the SEM's new
> >> > > ruling.
> >> > >
> >> > > The funds will be handled by me and not a SCA treasurer.
> >> > >
> >> > > Funds collected but not needed for the refit will be donated to
> >> > the
> >> > > Kingdom
> >> > > for the publication and distribution of a new Participants
> >> > Handbook.
> >> > >
> >> > > I will also ask at that time for combat archers to start
> >> > registering
> >> > > with
> >> > > me, for lack of a better word, to get the refit assistance.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else have an upcoming event that we can start getting ready
> >> > > for more
> >> > > auctions?
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, Gilli, how much money we going to need?  Honestly, I don't
> >> > > know.  But
> >> > > I do know that if we wait till the dust has settled before we
> >> > start
> >> > > on it
> >> > > that we'll be way behind the power curve.  But whatever we collect
> >> > > that
> >> > > isn't needed for the refit will do something else for the Kingdom
> >> > > that it
> >> > > needs; a win-win.
> >> > >
> >> > > Gilli
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