[Ansteorra-archery] What is this all about . . .

David Ruff dmruff1 at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 6 13:43:25 PST 2002

I can agree, shooting a 230 high for 2002 in open Xbow
isn't something that can be done overnight. For me it
took 9 months, but theres alot of other training that
helped that along.

But, i don't think it should be about the award(s) and
the way i am reading is: it is about the award(s).
Everyone has a comfortable zone, everyone has desires
of where they want to go with being an archer, some
like to push the envelope, others are just happy
getting an arrow or bolt down range. I think the focus
should be as a tight nit community of archers, ones
that respect what the other wants to do, or how they
want to play. Just my two cents. It is a volenteer
group, "shut up and train" doesn't belong in a
volenteer group - whether martial arts, or archery.


--- "Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor (Anteon Corp)"
<Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> wrote:
> Well, here is the verbage of the AM.  "There shall
> exist in Ansteorra an
> Order unto which the Crown shall select persons who
> have distinguished
> themselves by their excellence with the bow and
> crossbow, by their service
> to those who pursue excellence in archery, in the
> making of archery
> equipment, by their exemplary conduct, and who have
> shown a consistent
> respect for the laws and customs of Ansteorra."
> Please notice the word "excellence".
> Who said anything about having to have a BRASS HAT?
> Sad fact of life here
> folks, and I know to some it won't matter; however,
> just as with Rapier, and
> Chivalric if you aren't really good at it, you know
> like a Don or a
> Centurian, you won't get an AM.
> The Crown knows about the IKAC/IKCAC, and They ask
> about folks scores, they
> can even look them up on line.  Why?  It's a
> measureable yard stick of
> performance.  It's also why it took so long to get
> an award because there
> were so few names on it.  Now the Keeper shows all
> the archers that will
> improve.
> While I can't vouch for the number of times some of
> the scores were shot to
> get their current Kingdom high, I can for some.
> IKCAC 1st place--HL Roger--302--only once.
> IKCAC 2nd place--Don Sebastian--270--only once.
> IKCAC 3rd place--HL Gilli--152--only once.
> Open XBow 2nd place--HL Roger--224--only once.
> Period Bow 1st place--Don Sebastian--200--twice.
> Period Bow 2nd place--Ld. Robert--184--only once.
> You don't get this good over night or in one
> afternoon.  Something else to
> concider: in ten years you will be ten years older,
> but will your shooting
> be ten years better?
> WE wanted an archery award.  WE wanted to be
> concidered like the Dons and
> Centurians.  Now WE have to live up to that level.
> Or NOT!!  That's up to the indiviual.
> Now, if I was the powerful leader as mentioned, this
> WHOLE thread wouldn't
> be taking place because we'd already be doing it.
> But, I like what the man said, "Shut up and train!".
>  But hey!! This a
> volunteer organization.
> Gilli
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:08 AM
> To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] What is this all
> about . . .
> Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor (Anteon Corp)
> <Charles.Dewart at hood.army.mil> WROTE :
> >But let me point out something that, I guess, has
> gone unnoticed.
> HL Fearghus--does IKAC and IKCAC and is good at
> them.
> HL Gilli--does IKAC and IKCAC and is good at them.
> Don Sebastian--does IKAC and IKCAC and is good at
> them.
> HL Plachoya--does IKAC and IKCAC and is good at
> them.
> HE Octavia--doesn't do IKAC or IKCAC; however is one
> of the top rated combat
> archers in the Known World.
> HL William--does IKAC and is good at it.
> >Not giving away any secret hand shakes or any thing
> here, but, can we see a
> pattern starting to happen here?  Could just be
> coincidence, I guess.
> ok, I thought that a " kingdom level award " was
> given for things like
> advanced knowledge about a specialty, advanced skill
> in a specialty, the
> willingness and ability to teach others this
> advanced knowledge and or
> skill, as well as acting in an honorable / chivalric
> manner both on and off
> of the field of endeavor..
> unfortunately the above listing seems to imply that
> if you don't choose to
> shoot IKAC OR IKCAC OR HAVE A BRASS HAT , you will
> never " QUALIFY" for a
> kingdom level award in archery....
> I have been reading this list for quite a while now
> , even though mundane
> work prevents me from playing much anymore.
> and I believe that those archers on gilli's list are
> also very knowledgeable
> and honorable .
> and that the implication is due only to his
> impassioned arguments in favor
> thereby causing a breakdown in communication skills.
> also , to LADY GERITA ,
> ><Sigh>  Alright, Timothy, you win.  But I must
> insist upon the civil tongue
> bit - bitter tones take longer to forget and the
> marks of hurtful words heal
> slowly.
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