[Ansteorra-archery] The Fray... (was signal flags)

[Charlie Ribron II]

I see that your tring to ask and answer the questions, but when you break
you the text of the message you can slightly change the meaning, In stead of
reading the whole text. He is the Archier Commander which is a fire time for
us. Has I stated we have people assigned to read the flags if we used them
has a army. Ciao you are picking to argue something and finding a way to do
it. We do work with the army. The Fray Archiers is a fire team for us, and
part of the whole.
Ld Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net>
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Date: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] The Fray... (was signal flags)


>Good Morning,
>
>  To help keep the number of messages down, I'll reply to both of your
>  messages at once.
>
>> Yes he can be one of the commanders for a battle, we all can. But, has
for
>> now the listed commaneders are has followed Dux, Vix, Frenchy, Crystol,
Sir
>> Maude(Sp) and Finn.
>
>  I must have misunderstood what the following tag line meant then:
>
>----
>Michael of the Fray
>Combat Archer for the Fray
>Fray Archer commander (since 2000)
>Greater Fyrd
>----
>
>  That lead me to believe that he was the commander of the archers for the
>  Fray. I'm sorry that I misunderstood what that meant.
>
>> We have fire team leaders also when we are broke up he
>> going through the line. When this happens we will not be in spot to look
for
>> flags.
>
>  Of course not.
>
>> The question that comes to mind for me is, do you
>> want your unit to pulled apart because half the unit is doing one thing
and
>> the other half another. This way that we follow is to keep the unit
together
>> and on the same page.
>[...]
>> I like working with other archiers and following the same plans
>> to aim our fire, but unit orders come first then kingdom orders this way
we
>> act has one. I hope I'm making sense for you.
>
>  While your unit may be acting as one, the Kingdom is not. I agree that
>  the archers should not abandon the troups to be slaughtered, but
>  completely ignoring the Kingdom commands is not acceptable either if you
>  wish to be part of the Ansteorran Army.
>
>> what we are saying also, is if flags are decided on. Is that we have
people
>> to watch for them and people that is watching the enemy the people we
have
>> that will do this is our commanders and with spearman help when covered.
Our
>> archiers are the eyes to watch the enemy. Just a different system doing
the
>> same thing.
>
>  I'm sorry. That is not at all what I read him saying in the following:
>
>>> > When I take the field with Fray, I have already received my main
>>> > instructions, with secondary options - all based upon the fluid
actions
>>> > of the forces in play on the field.
>>> >
>>> > Therefore, I will not seek nor even bother to look at flags nor will I
>>> > support such a effort nor will I instruct other archers that are
either
>>> > in the Fray or supporting the Fray to do so!
>
>  As I read that, he and the Fray will not listen to anyone except the
>  Fray commanders no matter what the the General of the Armies or the
>  Commander of the Archers tries to tell them. This tells me that the
>  Fray are not a unit of the Ansteorran army, but a rogue unit on the
>  field that does what they want. They just happen to be fighting on the
>  same side as Ansteorra at this time.
>
>  You have stated similar things in your message above where you stated
>  that your archers will not leave the unit nor do anything but follow
>  the Fray plans exclusively.
>
>Ciao,
>
>--
>Phelim "Pug" Gervase   | "I know that I will never be politically correct
>Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |  I don't give a damn about my lack of etiquette
>Dark Horde Moritu      |  As far as I'm concerned the world could still be
flat"
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